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Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory

by : Steppin' UP
Friday November 26, 2004 - 23:37
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Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory White House calls on nation to ’come together’

http://www.northcountynews.com/view...

by Adam Stone A White House spokeswoman told North County News last Friday that citizens should embrace the Election Day results and dismiss recount efforts in Ohio that could hand Democratic Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts the presidency.

"The election has ended, and now is the time for the country to come together to address the challenges our nation faces," the spokeswoman, Suzy DeFrancis, remarked.

Bush won Ohio by a vote of 2,796,147 to John Kerry’s 2,659,664, according to the official tally.

In a series of e-mail interviews with North County News two weeks ago, Kerry spokesman David Wade spoke about recount efforts led by a team of 17,000 lawyers that could trigger the removal of President George W. Bush from office.

Since then, under mounting pressure from alternative media outlets as well as progressive voices outside the Democratic Party, Kerry issued a statement to his supporters that left open the possibility that he could obtain—through a recount—the requisite electoral votes to seize the White House.

"Regardless of the outcome of this election, once all the votes are counted—and they will be counted—we will continue to challenge this administration," Kerry said through a web-exclusive statement and video Friday, which, curiously, was not distributed to the press.

The usage of the word ’regardless’ in the carefully parsed statement was the first indication Kerry has offered that, in his mind, the official election results might be inaccurate enough to tilt the election in his favor.

Wade was e-mailed the remarks from the White House spokeswoman.

"Any president of the United States should make it a priority to count every vote in our country because every citizen’s full faith in the democratic process is critical," Wade responded yesterday (Tuesday). "That’s why John Kerry and John Edwards built a voter protection team of lawyers around the country, lawyers who are today monitoring recounts and the counting of provisional ballots including Ohio and New Mexico. Every vote will be counted, and we Democrats aren’t afraid to fight to protect voters’ rights."

A Kerry victory in Ohio would give the senator enough electoral votes to seize the White House.

In another signal the Kerry/Edwards team is increasing its involvement in the recount effort, a note was posted on the campaign website yesterday that called on supporters to contribute to the Kerry-Edwards 2004 General Election Legal and Accounting Compliance Fund.

"The Federal Election Commission has just granted our request to raise funds now to cover recount expenses," the website states. "Your contribution to Kerry-Edwards 2004 GELAC will provide the resources to make sure we are prepared to win the post election day battles."

Other than alleged voting irregularities, some have called into question the reversal of the exit polls (surveys of individuals who have just cast ballots), which early on predicted a Kerry victory.

Based on the full set of the 4 p.m. Election Day exit poll data Dr. Stephen F. Freeman from the University of Pennsylvania calculated that "the odds of just three of the major swing states, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania all swinging as far as they did against their respective exit polls were 250 million to one."

The Ohio Election Protection Coalition’s public hearings have documented insufficient voting machines in black Democratic precincts resulting in five-to-seven hour waits, voter intimidation, machine malfunctions and other irregularities.

Another significant development this week was the Democratic Party breaking its silence on the matter.

Ohio Chairman Dennis White distributed a press release on Monday afternoon that ran the headline: "Kerry/Edwards Campaign Joins Ohio Recount."

It stated "assuring Ohioans receive an accurate count of all votes cast for president has prompted the Democratic Party to join the initiative to recount the results of the November 2 presidential election."

The White House was asked to respond specifically to Wade’s statements in last week’s North County News article and also address the Ohio recount and reports of voting irregularities.

DeFrancis declined to comment on the particulars.

The article sparked dozens of impassioned e-mail responses from readers outside of North County News’ northern Westchester coverage area, with the piece being picked up by assorted alternative media news outlets.

With the recount controversy spreading through the Web universe at a feverish pace, the article ranked as the top hit on the Yahoo search engine for basic research entries about what is being dubbed as "Votergate."

The article buoyed the spirits of a New York-based activist group that was formed to pressure the mainstream media into covering the stories chronicling voting irregularities and the Ohio recount effort commissioned by the Libertarian and Green parties.

"Democracy is at stake and this needs major media attention," remarked Ellen Frank, an East Hampton, New York resident.

"There is an unofficial lockdown by the mainstream press," said Frank, whose brother, Dr. Justin Frank, published a book in June named "Bush on the Couch: Inside the mind of the president."

"When I read the article, I said: ’17,000 lawyers. Is this really true? Are they really working on this?,’" remembered Frank, who distributed the article at a MoveOn.org party.

"We’re trying to get enough major media attention to challenge the election," said Frank, who filed a complaint with the U.S. Supreme Court during the 2000 election, citing herself as a disenfranchised voter.

Two minor-party presidential candidates raised enough money to file for an official recount of the vote in Ohio.

The Green Party has been working with the Libertarian Party—both parties were on the ballot in Ohio—in securing a recount. Green Party candidate David Cobb and Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik say they’ve demanded that Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican who co-chaired this year’s Bush campaign in Ohio, recuse himself from the recount process.

Cobb Media Director Blair Bobier said, "The Ohio presidential election was marred by numerous press and independent reports of mismarked and discarded ballots, problems with electronic voting machines and the targeted disenfranchisement of African-American voters."

"Due to widespread reports of irregularities in Ohio’s voting process, we are compelled to demand a recount of the Ohio presidential vote," Badnarik and Cobb said in a joint statement. "Voting is at the heart of the American political process and its integrity must be preserved. When Americans stand in line for hours to exercise their right to vote, they need to know that their votes will be counted fairly and accurately..."

The Ohio vote will be certified on December 3 at the latest, Bobier said. The Electoral College votes on December 13, so it is unclear whether or not a recount would be completed by then.

The minor-party presidential candidates filed a federal lawsuit Monday to force a recount of Ohio ballots, and a spokesman for the state Democratic Party said it intended to join the suit.

The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in Toledo, Bobier said.

Dan Trevas, spokesman for the Ohio Democratic Party, said the party would join the recount request after the secretary of state certified the results, or sooner if an early recount is ordered by a court.

"Counties are very upset," said Keith Cunningham, director of the Allen County Board of Elections and incoming president of the Ohio Association of Election Officials, who called the lawsuit "frivolous."

"Commissioners are beginning to understand—and if they don’t, will understand soon—what kind of financial impact this is going to have on them, in a year when elections already cost a great deal more than expected," Cunningham told the Associated Press.

Badnarik and Cobb have raised $235,000 as of Monday morning, an amount which covers the $113,600 bond they had to provide as demanded by Ohio election law, plus some of their own organizational expenses.

Ohio law requires payment of $10 per precinct, or $113,600 statewide, but election officials say the true expense would be far greater. "It’s going to crush county governments," Cunningham said.

Carlo LoParo, a spokesman for Blackwell, has estimated the actual cost at $1.5 million.

Dr. Frank, whose book explores Bush’s "psychological limitations," believes the Ohio recount will hand Kerry the presidency.

"I think that a recount in Ohio, if done properly, will show a narrow Kerry victory and he should be inaugurated hopefully by January 20, 2005," the Washington D.C.-based, clinical professor in the Department of Psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center said.

"The disruption and cries of foul will be huge," the psychiatrist and psychoanalyst said. "But I think Bush lost. Kerry people are finally joining in, though I think they have been active all along, just quietly."

Pursuant to a request by independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, votes in some New Hampshire towns are being recounted. An analysis showed wide differences in voting trends between the 2000 and 2004 elections: about three quarters of precincts with severe changes used Diebold optical scanning machines.

Last week, Diebold agreed to pay $2.6 million to settle a lawsuit with the state of California. Diebold officials misled state leaders about the security and certification of its products to get payments from the state, according to California Attorney General Bill Lockyer.

Diebold is headed by Republican Wally O’Dell. Last year, O’Dell wrote to Ohio Republican donors, saying he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President next year."

Nader doesn’t expect to change the outcome: In New Hampshire, Kerry defeated Bush, 50 percent to 49 percent, while Nader got less than one percent from the state’s 301 precincts.

Don DeBar, an Ossining resident and Nader campaign worker in San Antonio, Texas this year, is trying to stitch together the fragmented left and have progressive activists unite on the recount issue.

Liberals, he said, need to "get past political antagonisms," for the time being.

"One thing that I’ve done is bring this to the airwaves in NYC," the area activist said. "As a reporter on the drive-time morning program Wake Up Call on WBAI-FM, I provided some detailed coverage of the issue, from the many reports of intimidation, error and fraud to the failure of the Kerry campaign to act to protect the voting rights of his own voters..."

The University of California’s Berkeley Quantitative Methods Research Team released a statistical study - the sole method available to monitor the accuracy of e-voting -reporting irregularities associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded 130,000 to 260,000 or more excess votes to President George W. Bush in Florida in the 2004 presidential election. The official tally in Florida shows Bush with 380,978 more votes than Kerry. The three counties where the voting anomalies were most prevalent were also the most heavily Democratic: Broward, Palm Beach and Miami-Dade, respectively.

CNN reported a 377,000-vote margin between Bush and Kerry. The study shows an unexplained discrepancy between votes for President Bush in counties where electronic voting machines were used versus counties using traditional voting methods, what the team says can be deemed a "smoke alarm."

The probability of this arising by chance, they say, is less than 0.1 percent. The research team formally called on Florida voting officials to investigate.

Kathryn Levy was a volunteer coordinator in the Kerry headquarters in Broward County, Florida and said yesterday she received "innumerable complaints."

She was the supervisor of a hotline in Broward that handled the complaints.

Levy believes "there was a systematic effort to disenfranchise thousands of citizens in that heavily Democratic county."

"Many newly registered voters were told that they needed to present multiple IDs at polling places, when in fact only one is required," Levy wrote for an intended op-ed piece that was truncated into a letter to the editor published last Tuesday in Long Island’s Newsday. "Others were informed that they had already voted and were turned away although they had not yet cast their vote. Many of those requesting provisional ballots were denied even that recourse."

"Perhaps the most chilling complaints concerned the electronic voting machines," Levy continued. "We received several reports of voters who repeatedly pressed the name Kerry on their voting screen only to have Bush appear. In other cases, voters pressed Kerry and were later asked to confirm their Bush vote."

John Zogby, president of the polling firm Zogby International, is concerned about the difference between some of the exit polls and the official vote counts.

"We’re talking about the Free World here," he told the Inter Press Service News Agency.

"Something is definitely wrong," Zogby also told the news agency.

Bush now leads Kerry by about 136,000 votes in Ohio. A battle is looming over nearly 155,000 provisional ballots. The Ohio Democratic Party has joined a lawsuit by elector Audrey J. Schering, which asks United States District Judge Michael H. Watson to order Blackwell to impose uniform standards for counting provisional ballots in all 88 counties.

The lawsuit cites the United States Supreme Court’s opinion in Bush v. Gore, which "held that the failure to provide specific standards for counting of ballots that are sufficient to assure a uniform count statewide violates the Equal Protection Clause of the United States Constitution."

Of 11 counties that had completed checking provisional ballots, 81 percent have been ruled valid.

On Saturday, November 13, the Ohio Election Protection Coalition’s public hearings in Columbus solicited extensive sworn first-person testimony from 32 Ohio voters, precinct judges, poll workers, legal observers and party challengers. An additional 66 people provided written affidavits of election irregularities.

The testimony, according to Harvey Wasserman, a senior editor at the Columbus Free Press, revealed an effort on the part of Blackwell to deny primarily African-American and young voters the right to cast their ballots within a reasonable time.

On November 17, Blackwell wrote an op-ed piece for Rev. Sun Myung Moon’s Washington Times, stating "every eligible voter who wanted to vote had the opportunity to vote. There was no widespread fraud, and there was no disenfranchisement. A half-million more Ohioans voted than ever before with fewer errors than four years ago, a sure sign of success by any measure."

Additional testimony also called into question the validity of the actual vote counts. There are doubts that the final official tally in Ohio, due December 1 to Blackwell’s office, will have any validity.

At the Columbus hearings, witnesses testified under oath that the election was riddled with discrimination and disarray.

"In precincts 1 A and 5 G, voting (at) Hillman Elementary School, which is a predominantly African-American community, there were woefully insufficient number of voting machines in three precincts," Werner Lange, a pastor from Youngstown, Ohio, said in his testimony.

"I was told that the standard was to have one voting machine per 100 registered voters," he continued. "Precinct A had 750 registered voters. Precinct G had 690. There should have been 14 voting machines at this site. There were only 6, three per precinct, less than 50 percent of the standard. This caused an enormous bottleneck among voters who had to wait a very, very long time to vote, many of them giving up in frustration and leaving...I estimate, by the way, that an estimated loss of over 8,000 votes from the African American community in the City of Youngstown alone, with its 84 precincts, were lost due to insufficient voting machines, and that would translate to some 7,000 votes lost for John Kerry for president in Youngstown alone. . . ."

According to a November 5 article by the Associated Press, election officials in Ohio admitted that an error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct. Franklin County reported Bush with 4,258 votes and John Kerry with 260, even though only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Bev Harris of BlackBoxVoting, along with people from Florida Fair Elections, showed up at Florida’s Volusia County Elections Office on the afternoon of Tuesday, November 16 and asked to see, under a public records request, each of the poll tapes for the 100-plus optical scanners in the precincts in that county. The election workers, having been notified in advance of her request, handed her a set of printouts dated November 15 and lacking signatures.

Harris pointed out that the printouts given to her were not the original poll tapes and had no signatures, and thus were not what she had requested.

Reportedly, they told her that the originals were held in another location, the election office’s warehouse, and that, since it was the end of the day, they should meet her the following morning to show them to her. The next day she started searching the garbage bags outside, finding public record tapes in the trash. Disparities between the November 15 tape and November 2 tape emerged—all reportedly favoring President Bush.

Harris could not be reached for comment by press time.

The mainstream media, which has suffered increasingly in recent years by charges of liberal bias and Democratic partisanship, has largely taken a pass on the recount story. In fact, The New York Times, the symbol and primary target of conservative media critics, published a front-page article two weeks ago that portrayed the recount effort as a campaign being waged by partisan, conspiratorial and error-happy bloggers with a liberal agenda.

MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann has tracked the story aggressively on both his "BLOGGERMANN" msnbc.com web log and "Countdown," a television news analysis program he hosts for the cable network, which is home to commentators of all political stripes, from Pat Buchanan to Ron Reagan.

In fact, Olbermann referenced the North County News article in a Sunday blog entry. He borrowed a quote from the article that triggered perhaps the most attention from activists: "We have 17,000 lawyers working on this, and the grassroots accountability couldn’t be any higher -no (irregularity) will go unchecked. Period," Wade had told North County News.

Kerry conceded the 2004 presidential contest on November 3, the day after the election, a decision that carries no concrete legal standing. That day, he and his running mate, Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, pledged to ensure every vote is counted, although they said at the time there was no chance a voting tally update would result in swinging the result in their favor.

Former Vice President Al Gore conceded in his 2000 battle with Bush for the White House before demanding a recount, which was ultimately halted by the U.S. Supreme Court, ending the debacle in Florida.

Howard Fineman, chief political correspondent for Newsweek, appeared on Countdown on Monday night.

"They keep saying these little things designed to make clear, at least to their supporters and the whole blogosphere out there, that they take the possibility (of a Kerry victory) and the need for a recount seriously," Fineman said of Kerry and his surrogates during an interview with Olbermann.

Fineman said he talked to Blackwell earlier in the evening.

"There in fact will be a recount," Fineman remarked. "We will be talking about chads once again."

Olbermann posted an entry on his blog on Monday evening, after that night’s Countdown telecast.

"As Kerry himself calculated early on November 3, the provisional ballots alone obviously could not provide anything close to enough bona fide Democratic votes to overcome President Bush’s 135,000 vote plurality in the Ohio election night tally," he wrote. "But as Howard also pointed out - and my colleague David Shuster so thoroughly extrapolated in a previous post on Hardblogger - the provisionals plus the ’undercount’ could make things very close indeed. The punch-card ballots ’where it looks like nobody marked anything’ when read by an optical scanning machine, might produce thousands of legitimate votes if hand-counted and judged by Ohio’s strict laws defining how many corners of the proverbial chads have to be detached to make a vote valid."

Fineman’s analysis, Olbermann writes, "(puts) it in terms that the mainstream can’t ignore."

That’s heartening to the likes of Ellen Frank.

"There is something very wrong here with the press," said Frank, who suspects, like other recount activists, that top level producers and editors in the mainstream press have barred their talent from covering the story extensively, as to avoid the appearance of partisanship.

"We believe democracy itself is at risk," said Frank, whose ad hoc group of philanthropists, writers and other activists are, among other things, mounting letter-writing campaigns about the recount to newspapers across the nation.

"We believe this was a fraudulent election," she said. "...We are fearful that ’major’ media is intimidated. We are fearful we are abandoned by our own Democratic Party. We are working to hold the administration and our party accountable."

astone@northcountynews.com .



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> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 03:16 - Posted by ea1b2543a81eefb4...

sore losers




> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 03:25 - Posted by 5a34e8059a253b59...

Although it’s highly improbable that Kerry will get Ohio, it still is necessary that all the votes are properly counted.



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Sunday November 28 - 00:59 - Posted by 882a58c8b2b68f16...

I purposely voted an absentee ballot FOR KERRY because of the too familiar and too similar protocols which Blackwell apparently inherited and utilized from Harris’ Florida debacle in 2000.

COUNT MY VOTE! COUNT ALL OHIOANS VOTES!

signed... Steadfast in Democracy in Toledo!



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 05:00 - Posted by 7550bdbd31bc622c...

I guess to believe Kerry was a loser you must believe that Bush was SO well liked that he was elected even with approval ratings below 50%, and over 50% of people thinking the country was headed in the wrong direction and over 50% wanting change, and the majority believing he was mishandling Iraq and the economy. Not to mention the large turnout which has always favored Democrats, the long lines which usually indicate a desire for change, and then there were the exit polls, which all had Kerry winning but suddenly in the early hours of Nov. 3 they all switched to Bush( must have been all those late night "Christian right voters"! Gee, it is so coincidental that before W. came along we didn’t have all these problems with exit polls.
It was also deja vu when I heard the Ohio Reps saying it would be 2 or hours before they could get a vote count because people were still voting and then I turned the channel and Fox called Ohio for Bush, some things never change.
Scott Peterson was convicted on much less circumstantial evidence then the claims of fraudulence in the Presidential election.
W. stole another one!



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 06:25 - Posted by aa79ed06c8d5cdb8...

Bottom line is all Americans that voted for Bush should bend over. Kerry ran an honest Campaign because he is an honest man.
Bush ran a dishonest campaign because he is a dishonest man. The American people have been scammed just like the Germans were by the
Nazis.



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 10:41 - Posted by 463aec2282358bf8...

Wow!! What can I say? Just plain B.S. (from you)
P. S.
Author of this article must have a withdrawal alcohol showing.



> Kerry in a tailspin.
Saturday November 27 - 17:51 - Posted by 414592ed37f538e7...

What began as a dignified departure for presidential candidacy has ballooned into an embarrassing display of legal wrangling and manipulation. Half of this country doesn’t get it. If you want lawyers to run this country then go ahead and fight. A lawyer only wins money for themselves. They tend to be self centered on profit, and it is big profit. A senator is never a good choice for president. John Kennedy was not a good president. He was a drug addict and womanizer. He was a good politician, like any actor is trained to be. He had personality, the ability to speak fluently and he looked good. What we want in a president is a person who can lead. Look at John Kerry. He has never led or run anything in his life. Most senators haven’t. He was absent from his job because he felt that he was above it and the state of Massachusetts allowed this. He is a man who would scare me if he were to be awarded this presidency. Wake up people!
John Kerry is a loser. If you want the political divide to deepen end it now. Anointing John Kerry as president will not make it so. He lost. Get over it. The Democrats are not the party of the people. A lawyer only wins money for himself. The poor of this country are snowed.

Its not that John Kerry was a loser, he is one. If you want the political divide to deepen end it now. Annointing John Kerry as president will not make it so. He lost. Get over it. The Democrats are not the party of the people. A lawyer only wins money for himself. The poor of this country are snowed. A smart black voter is a Republican. A misinformed black voter is one looking for privelege from government.



> Kerry in a tailspin.
Monday November 29 - 20:26 - Posted by cd720253d8810a57...

We listened to your same crap in 2000. What will be interesting is to see if you still feel that way when the recount in Ohio gives Kerry the election. I doubt you’ll be singing the same tune.



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 19:20 - Posted by 1fb310185428977b...

Well, as far as I understand, the earlier exit poll from the morning showed that Kerry was winning, but the exit polls for the whole election day shows the otherwise ( it comes up with the moral values and terrorism are the two most important factors for this election). Also, not all the pre-election poll ratings showed Bush’s approval rate below 50%, some showed it slightly above 50%. What do you think, if finally Kerry won Ohio by a narrow margin, but Kerry lost the popular vote by 3.4 million votes and he also lost in number of states (Bush 29, Kerry 21), Is this a democracy, or Kerry had stolen the election by losing popular votes and losing number of states he won tremendously. Use your fainess and logic.



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 20:55 - Posted by 6ffd972f82611ff1...

I believe the Republicans stole the election. They are not Republicans at all, but a band of criminals. At my site I have collected articles on this subject (http://surrealist.org/prayforpeace/...). God help us. Any Republican who can live with the election result, knowng that it was a stolen election is just as guilty as the Bush people. We need a full accounting of the votes. If the Republicans cheated, we need to know about it.



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 05:25 - Posted by df66fc34871b68c0...

To "Sore Losers" ... I would say what are you afraid of? If you are so sure that you won then
you have nothing to fear. I want the truth of who really won and there is too many suspicious
circumstances to ignore the possibilities.You shouldn’t throw out the "sore loser" insults,
because they just may be what we are calling you very soon.



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 06:11 - Posted by 558275d79cbc6320...

Rightly so for Kerry. American democracy is under siege. It is time for the sane minded non fanatic Republicans to wake up and see what is good for our country and not be restricted by the narrow party politics. All indication of fraud is quite visible. Just see the amount of articles that have surfaced which is compiled on electionsmoking.blogspot.com



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 06:18 - Posted by c08f023450bef957...

Kerry won the election It was stolen for the second time in a row. This is worse than living in athird world country!



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 06:39 - Posted by aa549f4ba13ab1c2...

how much maturity can someone have who says ’sore losers’ about the support for righting possible wrong in our election system?



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 08:25 - Posted by 854a98fff7e1b1c6...

As anyone with a computer science degree, like myself, knows, in fact is taught in the first course towards a degree, it’s so very easy to manipulate data with a computer program.

If President Bush fairly won, my congratulations to him. But as a citizen of the United States, I have doubts at this time. Doubts that make me believe we no longer have a democracy in America.

The only way to extinguish my doubts, and others that share my doubts, is to crack open the source code of all touch screen and optical scanner machines that were used in the 2004 presidential election.

This request is not so outrageous. The companies that made money participating in the election with their machines should not be surprised if their machines have been called into question and that a certification of their code is needed.

I know that a company does not want to reveal its valuable source code, but it’s a risk of doing business, and besides, I’m sure Diebold and the other election corporations have already profited plenty.

Let’s be realistic here. If the source code is anyway tainted to skew an election, then why bother voting at all. And maybe next time it will be your candiate who’s election is rigged.

But my computer programming paranoia can be easy resolved. Let’s look at the code.



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 22:41 - Posted by 90629fed0271c202...

My greatest dissappointment is with the mainstream media who have turned the backs on their journalistic duties and investigative reporting, not only with the possibility of election fraud by the republican party, but during the entire campaign. If the media has sold out, democracy is indeed
in trouble in the USA.



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Sunday November 28 - 00:11 - Posted by 67d74f7b7510f95b...

Legitimate elections are the only way a true democracy can define itself. Kerry has not whined, he has waited and allowed the process to unfold! Sore loser? No, W is an iligitimate winner! As for the votes, let’s count em all and let the chips fall where they may!!



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Sunday November 28 - 04:34 - Posted by 882a58c8b2b68f16...

Read the information, buddy. Do some research.

Sore losers?? More like outraged voters!! Anyone that finds the many manipulations perpetrated during this election acceptable should go find citizenship in some OTHER banana republic.

Anyone, from any party, that calls themselves a patriotic American should be horrified by the shenanigans that occurred on and around Nov. 2.

(P.S. Being a sore loser is when you pout after a softball loss.)

KC, Portland, OREGON



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Saturday November 27 - 21:13 - Posted by 62bb7c82ec20fdd7...

Every vote should be counted. Only in America, we can send a person to the moon but we can’t hold an election where every vote is counted. Not only was Ohio in questions, try looking at what happened in Charlotte, North Carolina and other places. It doesn’t matter who was running in this election...the fact is...we need to get our act together and put in place a voting system that will work for everyone.




> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Sunday November 28 - 01:20 - Posted by 80a1a345921c5a47...

While the administration is calling for an honest election in the Ukraine, it is obvious that the election in the United States was fraudulent. If we allow the neocoms get away with this disgraceful election we are putting in jeapordy our own citizenship with all of its rights and privledges. If the Democrat Party does not use the 50 million left over from the campaign to finance a recount . . . I will never vote Democrat again.

John H. St.John




> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Sunday November 28 - 03:43 - Posted by a04bcbd444b99cc0...

The fact that we have to fight with bureaucrats to get a vote count, one that might not even include all the African Americans who wanted to vote, is unconstitutional. Instead of trying to threaten gays with ridiculous amendments, and instead of loading up the budget vote with billiions in known pork ("earmarks"), the Congress should authorize a few hundred millions to give us voting machines and a voting system that is accurate and unbiased and works down to every last vote.

If we can spend billions to put a rocket in space and men on the moon, we can spend a few hundred million to make sure we are electing the candidates we are actually voting for. The inconsistencies in our election are so glaring, and the results so incredible, that anyone with a head on their shoulders cannot say with 100 percent certainty that the right man is about to take the oath of office for the presidency. This is NOT science fiction, it is not conspiracy theory. Exit polls do not lie, computers do not favor one candidate over another when they are working right, and touch screens do not light up for one candidate rather than another when they are working right. Nor is a ballot accurate when anyone with half a brain can change the tally at will.

What astonishes me the most is that Congress, the White House and the Supreme Court - our government - actually believe we are going to sit back and let them continue this way, when a solution is so simple to come by. That they wait for us to take action is a sure sign of how un-democratic they are. Lobbyists for drug companies are getting more attention than the machinery that makes democracy work: voting booths.

If we can’t get good equipement, plenty of it, and some security for voting - in every precinct in every state - we may as well just stop trying to be a democracy at all. This is kids’ stuff, and it can be corrected as easily as homework. Why our representatives aren’t steaming mad about this is amazing. \

We deserve, have paid for with our tax dollars, fair, accurate, honest, trustwrorthy elections - NOT approximations. There should be an auditable record for every vote, and redundancies that insure accurate tallies, and a system that we all trust. It’s so basic. We can and must make this change, and we should do it now. Why it wasn’t done after the stolen election of 2000 is a mystery, too. To let it go another election is to ask for a brand new form of democracy - one that we could call voluntary corrupt tyranny. If the current administration had been at all interested in fairness, they’d have taken care of this problem during their first four years in office. Don’t count on them coming to the aid of the people, justice and our voting system voluntarily.

You are not a radical to ask for an immediate recount and an immediate solution to this voting scandal. It is insane to spend millions upon millions trying to persuade people to vote one way or the other and then not know what the real outcome was. And by "real" I mean accurate. If the Republicans won by 10,000 votes and not 135,000 votes in Ohio, that means something to me. I voted thinking I would know whether it was a win, a rout, a tie or a loss, in my state, and every other state.

Would you let your bank approximate how much money you have spent and how much is left in your account? Don’t you think there are about a billion more transactions every day in banks than there are in a single election? How is it that the machinery of finance is so accurate and yet the machinery with which we count votes just never seems to work right? We have to get this fixed, and the sooner the better.

It’s not revolutionary or crazy or sour grapes to ask for voting machines that work and fair practices in the assessment of every individual’s right to vote. That there were Republican operatives out there intimidating Democratic voters in Ohio and Florida, that there is a Republican in charge of counting votes in a state that could turn the outcome, all these things which taint the results need to be challenged and corrected. If ours is not going to be a government of, by and for the people, then we don’t need to fix the voting process at all. But if we’re going to lay claim to the Constitution and the history we say we value so much, then getting the votes counted fairly and accurately in every election has got to be made mission critical. I’d be happy to know that George Bush really did win the election, regardless of my politics. But at this point, I am unhappy to know that Kerry "lost" because science and math are telling me that chances are very good some quantity of votes for Kerry was stolen. And that’s just not fair, not to the country, and not to anyone who voted. This seems so basic. It’s an outrage that we have to recontruct the American dream from the ground up - but perhaps it’s a big lesson in that regard: Democracy is not a given; it’s a fragile, living thing that can be dismantled when unethical, partisan efforts, for whatever reason, outpace the energies of the people.




> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Sunday November 28 - 07:33 - Posted by 1adf310020454c7d...

Colin Powell stated 2 days ago in regard to the Ukrainian elections, “We cannot accept this result as legitimate because it does not meet INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS and because there has not been an investigation of the numerous and credible reports of fraud and abuse.”

After looking up OSCE international standards of participating states (which includes the US), it appears that our Nov. 2nd, 2004 elections did not not comply with OSCE commitments and principles for a Democratic election either.

See website: http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr... [Sections 9.2, 9.3, 9.6, 10.3, 10.4, 11.1, etc.]

Does Colin Powell also believe that based on the numerous and credible reports of fraud and abuse in the American election, it should be fully investigated before the results can be accepted as legitimate?

America cannot convince the Ukrainian leadership, the Iraqis, the Afghanistanis or any other country to have fair, accurate, Democratic elections if we do not have them here in the USA. It would be total hypocrisy!!



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Sunday November 28 - 09:08 - Posted by 1adf310020454c7d...

Below are excerpts from two websites in regard to international election standards and observers:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...

October 7, 2004

(AP) The United States, accustomed to giving advice on democracy, is in the unfamiliar position of getting some from international election observers schooled in Tajikistan, Ethiopia and other emerging democracies.

Two observer groups have been examining U.S. voting systems for compliance with international standards for free and fair elections. The very idea disgusts some Republicans, who say it sends a message of weakness and compromises U.S. sovereignty. Some Democrats say the scrutiny is overdue.

Former President Carter, for one, has said some U.S. voting systems don’t meet international standards "even as many other nations are conducting elections that are internationally certified to be transparent, honest and fair."

The observers already have found problems typical in countries with far less than 200 years of voting experience.

David MacDonald, a Canadian member of a team organized by the San Francisco human rights group Global Exchange, said observers were shocked to find that partisan officials run U.S. elections.

Requiring election officers to be nonpartisan "is as close as you can get in democratic or electoral terms to a universal norm," MacDonald said after visiting Missouri, where Secretary of State Matt Blunt, a Republican, is the chief electoral officer and a candidate for governor. "There are some very serious problems that need to be addressed."

The report said touch-screen machines that don’t print paper ballots for use during a possible recount could delay the election outcome beyond Nov. 2 and create more, not less, controversy.

It faulted procedures with absentee and provisional ballots, cited reports of voter intimidation and disenfranchisement, and criticized moves by a few states to allow overseas and military voters to fax rather than mail completed ballots.

The report also noted that many of the reforms envisioned by an election assistance law enacted after the disputed 2000 presidential election won’t be in place by Nov. 2, and raised concerns that the right to vote "may not be evenly applied or protected throughout the country."

Whether U.S. voting systems meet international standards has been the subject of intense debate since major weaknesses were exposed during the recount of presidential ballots in Florida in 2000. United Nations guidelines call for an "independent electoral authority," and for systems that guarantee the will of the voters will be followed and counted equally. The OSCE specifies that vote-counting must be transparent and open to observation.

The observers’ presence has drawn stinging criticism from some Republicans.

"What do foreign observers bring to American elections?" Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., wrote to constituents. "We are not a country suppressed by tyranny and aggression; we are a free nation built upon a foundation of citizen democracy."
****************************************************************************
From website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth...

The OSCE sent 92 observers to monitor the electoral process across the United States.

However, they were barred by state law from polling places in Washington DC, FLORIDA and OHIO.
New Mexico also has laws limiting access to polling place by non-voters, but the state sent an escort with the OSCE delegation.
The observers recommended that state election laws be harmonised to allow for greater transparency and universal access to both international and domestic non-partisan observers.



> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Sunday November 28 - 08:25 - Posted by f73c8b7fc78915c2...

In the "general news" like CNN we don’t hear about the recount. It is like we are living in a media black out in the US. Unless we really look for it we can’t find anything about this in our news system. It is scarey. For those of you don’t want a recount, I ask why? If there is a question of legitimacy, there should be a process around it. It is more than winning or losing the election, it is about our right to vote and have it counted. If we let this go it could mean more of the freedoms that we enjoy and take for granted could be taken away from us.




> Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
Monday November 29 - 21:05 - Posted by 23d00c16aff2a53d...

good luck - I think the head of the new world order and his 8 year term son have spoken







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