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US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners

by : Collective Bellaciao
Friday April 30, 2004 - 12:16
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Click to watch the CBS TV pictures

By Richard Phillips

On April 29, CBS television’s "60 Minutes II" program screened graphic images of Iraqi prisoners being tortured and sexually humiliated by US troops at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. The photographs, which show American soldiers- men and women-smiling, laughing or giving thumbs-up signs alongside naked Iraqi prisoners, expose the sadistic and brutal methods employed by American forces and provide more evidence of the catalog of war crimes being committed by US-led forces in Iraq.

One of the pictures shows an Iraqi prisoner standing on a box with a hood over his head. Electric wires are attached to his hands. He was told that if he fell off the box he would be electrocuted. Another photograph is of naked male detainees stacked in a pyramid shape, one of the men has a slur written on his skin in English. In some pictures, prisoners are positioned to simulate sex with each other while US troops point and laugh.

The photos have surfaced in connection with the suspension in March of 17 members of the 800th Military Police Brigade for mistreatment and abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in November and December of last year. The jail was infamous for torture and executions under the Saddam Hussein regime.

Six of those suspended were charged with dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, assault and indecent acts-the military’s term for sexual abuse-and could be court-martialed and jailed.

Military investigators have also recommended that disciplinary action be brought against seven US officers in charge of the prison, including Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, the 800th Brigade’s commander.

While the US Army revealed these violations last month, it has attempted to prevent any detailed information leaking to the media. Army officials, however, were forced to appear on the high-rating television program after other news outlets were given copies of the photographs.

The Army told "60 Minutes II" that it had numerous photos, including a picture of a detainee with electric wires attached to his genitals, a dog attacking an Iraqi prisoner and a dead Iraqi prisoner who had been badly beaten at the prison. One civilian interrogator had smashed several tables in order to "fear up" prisoners.

The television show also revealed that the Army is investigating allegations by an Iraqi detainee that a prison translator at Abu Ghraib raped a male juvenile detainee. Part of the prisoner’s testimony states: "They covered all the doors with sheets. I heard the screaming ... and the female soldier was taking pictures."

These acts of sadism and cruelty constitute a blatant violation of the "UN Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment" and are war crimes as defined by Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of war prisoners.

Article 3 prohibits:

a. violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

b. taking hostages;

c. outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.

Army Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, deputy chief of military operations in Iraq, told "60 Minutes II" that the torture was "reprehensible" and claimed that those facing charges were "not representative" of American soldiers in Iraq. "Don’t judge your army by the actions of a few," he said. Americans "need to understand that is not the Army."

These mendacious comments were refuted by CBS’s chilling interview with Army Reserve Staff Sergeant Chip Frederick, one of those facing court martial.

Frederick, a Virginia prison guard, is charged with assaulting detainees, ordering prisoners to strike each other and an "indecent act" for observing one of the sexual abuse incidents. He insisted, however, that his actions were not those of a rogue soldier, but were sanctioned and encouraged by military intelligence and the CIA.

Along with other reservist jail guards, he was directed to physically and mentally "prepare" Iraqi detainees for interrogation. He said that dogs were also used as "intimidation factors" against prisoners.

One of Frederick’s email messages said: "Military intelligence has encouraged and told us ’Great job.’ They usually don’t allow others to watch them interrogate. But since they like the way I run the prison, they have made an exception. We help getting them [detainees] to talk with the way we handle them.... We’ve had a very high rate with our style of getting them to break. They usually end up breaking within hours."

As these comments make clear, torture in US-run Iraqi prisons is an integral part of the illegal occupation. A systematic process of brutalization is being directed from the upper ranks.

At the same time, the fact that US soldiers are employing methods similar to those used by the Nazis in World War II is indicative of a deep-seated state of demoralization and degradation that the occupation has bred within the US military. Finding themselves in a hostile environment with the vast majority of Iraqis opposing the occupation, many American soldiers have come to see the country’s entire population as the enemy. Fed lies about the colonial intervention in Iraq being part of a global "war on terrorism," some have also assumed a license to torture and humiliate their helpless captives.

Contrary to Kimmitt’s claims-slavishly echoed by the corporate media-this is the logic and modus operandi of imperialist conquest and colonial occupation. The pictures of torture, brutality and sexual sadism are representative of the entire criminal operation being conducted in Iraq.

Washington anticipated and prepared in advance for the war crimes now being committed against the Iraqi people. No criminal charges can be brought against a US soldier in Iraq because the puppet Iraqi Governing Council has given the American military a blanket amnesty from prosecution. Secondly, with the backing of Germany and a number of other countries, no US soldier or citizen can be prosecuted for war crimes in the International Criminal Court.

The "60 Minutes II" broadcast has provided only a partial glimpse of the crimes being carried out by US forces in Iraq and elsewhere. The conditions in Iraqi jails, where over 18,000 prisoners are being held, are replicated in a network of US-run concentration camps around the world. These include Guantanamo Bay, Diego Garcia, Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. According to current estimates, the US is incarcerating over 25,000 detainees in these hellholes, in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

30.04.2004
Collective Bellaciao



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> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Friday April 30 - 14:26 - Posted by 2a75aa2ac1682fa2...

I am an American, and I work at the number one television station in Florida. I do not listen to one thing our media has to say about this travesty of a war. This country is rooted in racial hatred, and the mindless idiots who occupy this country will never change. I am proud to associate with people who feel this war is illegal, but for the most part Americans are bamboozled by the current administration and the corporate media.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Friday April 30 - 20:31 - Posted by 2b5e860f7d554299...

Even the U.S. govrnment admitted the photos are real. Don’t think this is something new though.
This has happened in every war dating back to wwl. My dad saw it in wwll, my brother saw it in Korea, my cousin saw it in Vietnam and, I saw it in Japan even when there was no war. We are truely the ’Ugly Americans’ around the world.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 08:49 - Posted by 2dcf7530bf648331...

Hopefully you’ll change from The Ugly Americans to the DEAD ONES. the world would be a better place...



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 14:48 - Posted by 0f77ec8856a2fcdb...

Why don’t you send me a picture so I can identify you before I stick a bayonet in your eye. Don’t lump all Americans into one pot when it’s a select few who are committing these atrocities. By the way, what country are you from?
Signed,

An American Soldier serving in Afghanistan



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 17:39 - Posted by cd51773a0e3b084a...

a select few? you maybe right, but you are one of them if you want to stick a bayonet in someones eye......get a life



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 05:30 - Posted by 1500f9389bc2f3a0...

have a life! where i can love my brother....and think for myself! This war is wrong...we are what we say we hate!



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 17:50 - Posted by cd51773a0e3b084a...

I am from Sicily, so you want to put a bayonet in my eye????
I REPEAT I AM FROM SICILY I WILL PUT A KNIFE IN YOUR THROAT..
wake up and smell the coffee as you say in your country...
and grow up..



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 20:54 - Posted by b4a53b024c2a0d46...

Its people like the sicilian who make me sick. His prejudging us is exactaly what we are fighting. Just because there are pictures of some poeple doing this doesnt mean we all are. If thats the case I guess all arabs are terrorists and all Sicilians are cowards, Right?



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 02:58 - Posted by 26916bfccd729334...

terrorists!!!
who killed more than 10 thousand civilians in iraq? and may be more in afghanistan?
who travelled thousands of miles from his home land to do so?
how many civilian was killed the WTC? 2 thousands?
being called the "american army" or "american government" doesn’t make them any different from those who was responsible for sept. 11, they are even worse cause they are supposed to be a responsible authority not some unrecognised group!!
please I don’t wanna hear a reply saying "to free iraqis" or to "liberate iraq" cause this is the most silly joke I’ve ever heard



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 12:58 - Posted by 69eeeda5aaf32976...

We talk about institutional failure to provide decent treatment to prisoners. We talk about "real life lesson" what US democracy does in occupied Iraq.
Just wait and you will see very light punishment to the guilty US Army soldiers because any attempt to deliver appropriate punishment will trigger "let’s go to hell together" defence the high ranks are unwilling to face.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 20:59 - Posted by 9983f8ff0bc7957f...

You must be the ultimate UGLY American yourself if you want to stick a bayonet in someone’s eye just because they are quite rightly disturbed by the sick and disgusting photographs of American soldiers sexually molesting and mentally torturing the people who we are supposedly supposed to be "liberating". And since you are claiming to be a soldier in Aghanistan, it would appear that the sick and tortured psychology of "only a few" perhaps includes yourself. You have unwittingly exposed yourself as a sick bastard. MORON. You are a disgrace to the country.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 13:14 - Posted by c205cd658d19f792...

thanks for your kind words, and yes he is a disgrace to his country. I am from Australia and I WAS who he was talking to....just because I was disturbed at the photos, he is a bastard and a MORON, and yes he is definitely one of the "few"
thanks for your input.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 06:44 - Posted by 9c342791c2194d59...

You are a sucker , fighting for nothing but your own expendable ass , and a bankers purse.
Bayonet boy.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 05:27 - Posted by 1500f9389bc2f3a0...

The actions of a "select few" have fucked you all! You show in your message post how angery and fired up to kill you are! I am from America! I dont trust your war and dont trust soldiers! The photos show what kind of people you are...monsters...nazis...aMEricans! Some people are good solidiers, some bad...but...you are loseing public support!
El Demento Austin Texas



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 01:11 - Posted by 4ce0c26a39f537a0...

That’s very funny........You said the same thing all White Racists said during the many years (and counting) of brutalizing black people here in America: "It’s a select few who are committing these atrocities."
You all need to wake up and realize the evil in this administration and this country. We blacks in America have known it for hundreds of years.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 01:35 - Posted by 4ac44558d4b15336...

Can you really convince yourself that you are better than the those you condemn? Speaking of ugly, brushed your teeth lately?



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 27 - 08:53 - Posted by f3d5a103f00ce77767f69ca827421e83...

I’m not ugly u are. I strive to be the best I can be. U panzees need to stop throwing all your self discipline out the window



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Friday April 30 - 21:34 - Posted by 7bbc97f0bfa8d9d0...

TO ORIGINAL POSTER: How refreshing to view your comments. You are so correct. I agree with you on all aspects. Blessings to you and yours.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Saturday May 1 - 01:38 - Posted by ee55477dcbd86000...

Sickening. Absolutely disgusting.

This is the reason why the world hates the U.S. It’s not just these incidents, but also the outrageous double standards employed by the Bush administration (anybody remember Bush protesting and saying the Iraqi government would pay for broadcasting footage of American prisoners?). The outrageous arrogance of your government in invading a country without international backing, effectively without provocation (after having been waging low-level conflict with them ever since 1991) and for economic motives.

Having said this, I’m British and our government are almost as guilty as the Bush regime (they didn’t instigate the idea, but they sure as hell went along with it). Tony Blair truly is George Bush’s poodle.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Saturday May 1 - 06:16 - Posted by 73a869decda86766...

I want to thank those last posts from what are certainly intelligent, informed patriots condemning
the atrocities. Thank God we have brothers and sisters with a firm grasp of what is right and
what is wrong. I can tolerate ignorance as that is simply not knowing. What I will not tolerate
is stupidity which was demonstrated by the previous amoeba. Their necks were so red I lit
a cigarette off of them. I’m going to bed before I really get angry. Let me know if you have
the guts to enlist and place your combat boots on Middle Eastern soil. I’m certain that I can
locate others who will assist you in traveling to the armed forces recruiting station.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 08:52 - Posted by 2dcf7530bf648331...

The only good american is a dead one.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 17:53 - Posted by 76877fba910a8ede...

Not quite.

Only those AmeriKans who advocated invading Iraq.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 21:54 - Posted by bc15309b75bb5cb8...

This is a prime example of what the world does not need...hate...widespread hate...the end is coming.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 01:33 - Posted by 4ac44558d4b15336...

Only a true idiot would make such a moronic statement.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 08:50 - Posted by ad23dba964badb33...

I’m not the least bit surprised at the photos I received yesterday from a fellow victim of America’s Secret Police and their arsenal of non-lethal weapons. We’ve been subjected to electric shock torture and there were no wires, it’s done remotely some time at some distance and it hurts like hell. They may have used these weapons on the Iraqis, they shock, sting, and burn and leave small circular burns.
When victims contact the local authorities as well as government officials they do nothing and have given complete autonomy to the CIA and FBI in regards to the guinea pigging of innocent Americans and if some of us die then they are ’casualties of research’ I guess, although the ’testing’ is non-consensual we are powerless to do anything.
The FBI and CIA illegally deputize a bunch of felons, illegals, and general riff raff, arming them with these weapons and sends them to harass, torture and rape innocent Americans. They enjoy virtual sex with their targets by using the equipment to ’fondle’ and ’penetrate’ their victims, often stroking them to orgasm as they sleep. The sex scenes I saw in the pictures aren’t surprising at all these many in theses agencies are sex obsessed and can’t contain themselves.
Many are psycopaths with fractured, splintered, multiple personalities, they were deliberately damaged at birth and trained to torture, harass and violate.
We have a bunch of sickos who have been let loose and given complete autonomy, that’s why the world hates our azzes more and more with each passing year.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 17:55 - Posted by cd51773a0e3b084a...

hear hear, you are so right, all governments are to blame, all of europe backed up USA, except France but who knows.....we are all in trouble in the world....thanks for your sensible comment my british friend
ciao from Australia



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 19:12 - Posted by f51607c3a75a9c7d...

As a former Army interrogator who was due to leave today for Baghdad (to interrogate as a civilian contractor for the government), I can tell you with certainty that no competent US interrogator would condone, request, direct, allow, or ignore the conduct you see reflected in the pictures and related stories. You may be against the US involvement - that is fully understandable - but US interrogation methodology does not involve torture, most simply because it does not work. In fact, torture works against the interrogator’s mission which is to obtain accurate information in the shortest amount of time. Torture has been proven in history to elicit unreliable information and is morally repugnant.

This being said, there are always ’bad apples’ in any organization and they must be reported, and tried as the criminals that they are. The photos appear (to me) to be a military police idea of a prank, given the expressions of the MP’s, the fact that they took the pictures in the first place, and the sheer stupidity of the behavior. They bring discredit on all of us.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 13:11 - Posted by 69eeeda5aaf32976...

Have not you noticed that US uses differentset set of (much lower) standards in Iraq ?
It seems that according to you they are guilty of being caught.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 07:11 - Posted by 7ddcd2d09e22bd69...

And thats the truth. As a former soldier, one thing during training that was made perfectly clear
was to treat prisoners with respect and dignity. An American soldier NEVER commits acts like
this. You want to win a war, treat your prisoners well. They are soldiers, they may be civilians,
but they are human beings! Torture and murder are the actions of sick, evil individuals. If
anyone in my unit EVER did something like this, I would take them out and shoot them myself!
Call it field justice mother f$@&%r!



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 22:24 - Posted by 614b06fe3c4f8620...

as an american who has lived all over the world, not with the military, I am greatful that if I where ever inprisened by an other country/gov. I would not be humileated as these poor men have been , rather I get to be set on fire and drug behind a truck untill there is nothing left.



Use your brains
Friday April 30 - 15:52 - Posted by 03398a9afefb3803...

These photographs are obviously phony.




> Use your brains
Friday April 30 - 19:20 - Posted by 568baf6e3fed33f5...

"...but for the most part Americans are bamboozled by the current administration and the corporate media."

^^^^^^^^^

case in point??



> Use your brains
Friday April 30 - 19:31 - Posted by 5fc8ea48b0f036ae...

If it was your own loved one in the photo, would you still call it phony?



> Use your brains
Friday April 30 - 19:40 - Posted by 816d44e9d8738a7e...

yeah right, those aren’t american soldiers and this was made by the israeli porn kings and the liberal democrats. Or is it Black ops from the UN or just put there to get the response from a phony american who says the pix are "phony"



> Use your brains
Friday April 30 - 19:40 - Posted by cd73ce4ec5d90d7e...

which part of which photos is phony? The part where the prisoners are forced to give each other blowjobs? The part where the grinning soldier is pointing at the prisoner’s dick and giving a thumbs up? The part where prisoners are stacked up and guards are grinning like demented idiots?

What part of "depravity" is unclear to you?



> Use your brains
Friday April 30 - 21:06 - Posted by 687ed951585b89f7...

Why are the photographs ’obviously’ phony? I suppose the pictures are NOT ’obviously’ phony if no one else has made that claim. Do you not think it is possible that Americans are capable of such atrocities?



> Use your brains
Friday April 30 - 21:30 - Posted by 7bbc97f0bfa8d9d0...

*Use your brains*. Very good advice for yourself. --- This person is obviously demented. To suggest these photographs are "phony", gives me the clue that the individual who posted this idiocy considers violence and murder totally acceptable. In this person’s life is: sexual dysfunction, molestation, spousal/child abuse and an overall lust for pornography and violence. GET SOME HELP. You are a terrorist to yourself, those around you and to America AND the planet in general.



> Use your brains
Sunday May 2 - 06:52 - Posted by e3985b86dcbca705...

yes,this is the real pro-terrorists and terrorist himself, no respect of himself and to other beings, he dserve to be in the guillotine and stoned to die!



> Use your brains
Saturday May 1 - 02:05 - Posted by b909aeb3a26e078c...

How do you know? I have heard claims that they are tan soldiers because Arabs have more body hair. Get over that one. My husband is Arab. I can guarantee you that excessive body hair is a stero type. Are there other reasons that make you believe they are phony? Please explain



> Use your brains
Saturday May 1 - 11:42 - Posted by 2d86f4f182d22a4a...

you should not stand in the wrong side even if you love your country,i am a photogpher and i can tell you for sure that these pictures are real. you should show pity over those sufferers in stead of those abusers.



> Use your brains
Sunday May 2 - 06:57 - Posted by e3985b86dcbca705...

ALLAH is great, he love you, more power to you...



> Use your brains
Monday May 3 - 05:48 - Posted by 698b5243fc90fee3...

were you there?



> Use your brains
Monday May 3 - 06:52 - Posted by 9c342791c2194d59...

Do you mind explaining just how these photos are phony, to those of us who are not masters of the obvious such
as yourself.



> Use your brains
Monday May 3 - 08:11 - Posted by 8b15b8366f195712...

These photographs are phonoy? I have picture of you mother being raped by a dog, and I know the picture is phony too, but anyhow I will post it here.

I think Americans live in toilet bowl, thats why they can’t see, think or speak properly.



> Use your brains
Monday May 3 - 09:16 - Posted by c205cd658d19f792...

well you are right....mate



> Use your brains
Tuesday May 4 - 02:37 - Posted by f26a59f58e4b5936...

You wish they were phony. Some of the soldiers have been identified and have already given statements in an attempt to build a defense of their own actions. Are their statements acknowledging their crimes phony too? You ought to take your own advice and use your brains to break the chains of denial that you have shackled upon yourself. The perpetrators are admitting what they have done, and you stupidly comment that they are ’obviously phony’.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Friday April 30 - 19:12 - Posted by aeba58eaea55d88a...

what is shown on this program is merely a glimpse and mirror image of what was done to "alledged" taliban terrorist in the Cuban /American prison. What is the point of Having UN/UNESCO AND ALL OTHER LEGALLY APPOINTED BODIES THAT DEALS WITH THIS TYPE OF BLATANT TERRORISM AND BRUTALITY OCCUR TURN AROUND AND SAY "OUR HANDS ARE TIED AND PLEASE FOLLOW THE GENEVA CONVENTION", AND HAVE DONE ZERO TO ACTUALLY STOP THESE AGGRESSORS.

THE LIVES OF THE INNOCENT ARE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE INSANE AND THE INCAPABLE WHAT ESLE CAN WE EXPECT WHEN WE AS A HUMAN RACE DONT STAND UP AND REPRESENT OURSELVES.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Friday April 30 - 20:26 - Posted by d5b4c48fa7782ae0...

This is the dark side of the American occupation of Iraq, those disgusting pictures is one example of the Bush’s army disrespect of human rights of arabs and muslims, those pictures will fire up the anger of Iraqi people as well as many Arabs and muslims. I think Saddam Hussain days is just nothing comparing to Bush, Blair and the gang are doing now.
Osama Almahdi, Bristol, UK




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Friday April 30 - 21:07 - Posted by cc723d3bc172afba...

Sadly, the photos are not phonies.

I do agree that the U.S. soldiers in them and those who allowed this kind of monstrousity are idiots. They forgot their military training and allowed themselves to be carried away by stupidity and hatred.

But we also have to think about the kind of mindset that these young Americans have at this time. I have read the comments made by the Staff Sergeant "Frederick" who was involved and I can sense the typical mentality of those reservist and national guardsmen who have seen too much T.V. Here he is proudly stating that the CIA told them they were doing a good job by "softening" up prisoners before interrogation. Idiot!

Frankly, we all know that CIA or Intelligence officers probably DO torture prisoners, but you have to think about our country and what your decision can do to history. This guy probably did get a "good job" by some officer or something, but you don’t go and "spill the beans" just to cover your own ass! You have to have a little honor and accept responsibilty for the actions that you did and not try and make excuses after someone caught you!

The war in Iraq has supporters and opposers, and personally I oppose, but I DO support 100% our troops. They are there on duty, doing exactly what they chose to do; Serve our country. They have demonstrated more courage than many of us "americans" that criticize their actions. They are young boys and girls susceptible to hatred and mental stress that have been sent in by our Commander in Chief for whatever reasons.

I guess we should take a closer look at the training and screening of personnel before sending them in to situations were they could easily loose it if not mentally tough.

wuingo@hotmail.com




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 09:08 - Posted by 8b15b8366f195712...

To you and all who support the war...why are you siting behind the computer and typing away....Join the army if you really believe in the cause...you are just chicken shits...oh...I am supporter of the army.....I know many soldiers who oppose this war , but under military code if you oppose the war you will be put behind bars.....wonderful.. double standards for our own soldiers....on one hand we preech freedom of speech and the right to choose on the other hand US military hands are tied behind their back to speak their minds while in service.... this sucks don’t you think?



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 23:00 - Posted by 14fc61b9fe65151e...

Re: Staff Sergeant Frederick
His attitude proves that Americans can be as culpable as those Germans that ran the Gestapo prisons, etc. Sad.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Friday April 30 - 21:30 - Posted by 265c817104b4e3de...

I am not surprised. These actions are no different than what most armies in the world commit. The difference here is that the US didn’t need to go after Iraq. Liberation? Whoever believed that is naive. This was a pure invasion with greed and racism in their agenda. The fact is, and everyone is aware of this, that America is a racist nation who believes they are superior to everyone. Due to Americans’ poor education, they are unaware that history always repeats itself, and one day America will not remain a superpower. People in these regions do not forget atrocities. They still have conflicts with events thousands of years ago. Bravo America. You made the world safer. Here, have a cookie.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Friday April 30 - 23:46 - Posted by 9dd28dce2708e1eb...

Ditto. Iagree with u in every respect,and wish to add only that the arabs are not red Indians;This time the American cowboy has taken on a people who both culturally and religiously are certainly going to pay the americans back with intrest added- and not be exterminated as the red indians were.I only hope when the time comes,those arabs remember it was Bush and his crowd and not all Americans who are responsible for this insult to human values and behaviour. Pax Americana Bush style mean not only an end to moral conduct at the international level by the US government, but also the start of an international resistance by the oppressed which will herald the end of oppressive and aggressive US mentality symbolised by cowboy Bush.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 02:28 - Posted by ef02111b815bd6b1...

I disagree. While atrocities were committed in all wars to date, there are few reports of public, orchestrated, sexual assaults of this type committed on men. Even former prisoners of Saddam say that he did not strip men naked and humiliate them in this way. This really is a new low. Try the reign of Caligula, if you’re stuck for a comparison, but even he wasn’t sick enough to record the events and send the info to friends. That is how this stuff got out you know. They were bragging about it and showing off their snaps. The UK soldiers claim that hundreds of such photos were swapped like football cards.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Friday April 30 - 23:37 - Posted by 93a87c079dcd0e68...

lets get real is not war crime because there was no torture the wires were not hot, the soldiers were smiling , is just not politically correct. The 4 contractors burned and left hanging on a bridge to the voltures was a war crime, no mercy for people of that kind.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Saturday May 1 - 06:38 - Posted by cc002d73da3b584c...

First of all, we don’t have any ideas of the context in which these pictures where taken. These actions may have took place only once or those pics may only show the tip of the iceberg.

It doesn’t look to me like they were actually "tortured" but they certainly feared for their lives to accept such humiliation.

I understand that in some case fear or even some kind of torture can be used to get information that could save lives or may make the country a better place, but the smile in the face of the so called guardians tells a lot about their intention and competance. If you’re going to torture someone fucking torture them, I am not convinced that playing gay ass game with their dicks and have them posing in homosexual acts will have any positive inpact.

Furthermore, as far as I know homosexual behavior is not something that is quite well seen or understood in arabic country so I think it migh enflame a hell of a lot of people who are going to see those pictures out there.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 06:30 - Posted by 9732ede04c8017c0...

This the same eye closing during war 2 of the annihalation of the jews. Are we any better than the German population?



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Saturday May 1 - 06:52 - Posted by cc002d73da3b584c...

I am the one who just replied.

I just want to add that the 4 "contractors" were most probably killed by armfire and not burnt and beaten alive. They were already dead when their bodies were mutilated. This is nothing compared to the mutilation caused by cal 50 or other barbaric machine gun used by the american army.

I’ve seen a lot of pictures on the internet of dismambered irakies, some of which were not yet dead and had their intestina hanging off their body. Search a little bit and you’ll find headless insurgents with americains posing at their side with a "i feel so alive" smile in their face.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 08:44 - Posted by 2dcf7530bf648331...

GOOD! I hope to wake up every day to more images of mutilated f*cking yanks - The world would be a better place if you all died - and many wouldn’t mind to much if it was horrible slow death. Die scum.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 02:35 - Posted by ef02111b815bd6b1...

Yes lets get real. AMERICANS ARE SICK AND PERVERTED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SO INATELY RACIST THAT THEY CANNOT IMAGINE THE SUFFERING OF OTHER PEOPLES. THESE ARE JUST RAGHEADS SO IT DOES NOT COUNT. THAT THEY KILLED FOUR ARMED MERCENARIES WHO HAD ILLEGALLY INVADED THEIR COUNTRY CALLED FOR COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT OF FALLUJAH AND THE DEATHS OF ONE THOUSAND INNOCENTS. YOU ARE SUCH A TYPICAL UGLY AMERICAN!



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Saturday May 1 - 01:40 - Posted by be28b639d1243be3...

how much more of this appointed president’s crap are we supposed to turn a blind eye to? you reap what is sown — he was appointed, not elected; he went to war with lies. any president who was never out of the U.S. before being appointed president — how in God’s name can he have any intelligence or sense of other cultures. he is a disgrace to American values and integrity. how much more do we need to see through this greedy, oil baron. jeeze, I am amazed at the blindness of this country. we will reap what we have sown with this idiot in the White House.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 02:59 - Posted by f26a59f58e4b5936...

I just want to make this addition. When I saw those pictures, I wept with deep shame for my country. We as a people have lost control of our government, and at this point in time we are still not sure what to do about it. I want to say one thing on my own behalf and that of my fellow American citizens who don’t have their head up their ass about this FAKE WAR. I offer my deepest apologies to the Iraqi people, and to other people of the world that my government has ruined the lives of. I am so very heartfelt sorry. I wish there was something I could do about it, but I can’t. Most of my countrymen are brain dead and their skulls are stuffed full of propaganda that their government feeds to them on a daily basis. I swear to you that I have done my best to inform them, and I pledge to you that I will continue in my efforts to wake up as many as I can. I owe you all that much. For those of us who have opposed any intervention from the start, and there are many of us, I can only beg God to have mercy on our wretched souls. These past 4 years, moreso than the last 30, have made me deeply ashamed to be an American. So much so that I have more than once considered renouncing my citizenship. But I won’t, because I feel I have a duty to make a change in the wrong direction that my country has gone in. I will keep up the fight, I will continue to spread the TRUTH and wake as many as I can and call them to take up the cause, for one day I fear that we will have to take up arms in defense of the cause. I am a descendant of my founding fathers, so I feel the shame and anger more intensely than others. To all the people of Iraq, and especially those prisoners, my deepest regrets and apologies, and I hope that you can find some way to understand that the actions of this government are NOT the embraced values of it’s people. I can assure you, Iraqi people, that you are NOT my enemy. I know who the enemy is, and I will not stop fighting the enemy to my last breath. God bless....



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 00:46 - Posted by 0caab40c13156cde...

Well written. I concur that the actions of the Bush administration have embarrassed me. The best way to try to change is to NOT re-elect Bush in November. It’s a start. I really am afraid of what will happen if he gets re-elected-afraid of what Bush will do-not afraid of terrorists. I’d love to see all those soldiers responsible for the torture and humiliation of the Iraqi prisoners prosecuted for war crimes.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Saturday May 1 - 06:00 - Posted by 73a869decda86766...

This is disgusting beyond the imagination. I have been, am and always will be a soldier and
have two sons serving in Iraq who are equally mortified that U.S. troops would pull something
like this and stand there and grin. They must have been asleep when briefed on the Geneva
Convention. They are out of control animals and I believe court martial and prison are in order
and lets see if they think that’s humorous. This is what you have when the Commander-In-Chief
and his band of thugs think and act the same way. What an example and what a dark blemish
on this nation and what it stands for. And we want other nations to be like us? Makes me want
to vomit. And by the way, don’t try to refute my comments by citing the civilian money hungry
employees mutilated earlier while busy making money for the Bushites bank account.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 06:08 - Posted by 064bc0fe354467ae...

I am relieved to see there are military personel who are equally disgusted by this. Where’s the anthrax killer and Bin F*N Laden? This Iraq is nothin but a Bushism left from Poppy Bush. The world needs to know the connection of Bush to the Saudi’s. Its Bush that helped cause 9-11 along with UNOCAL. Read the book "House of Bush, House of Saud" It’ll turn your stomach what Bush has done!



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 07:28 - Posted by 7ddcd2d09e22bd69...

Well said brother.

Rock Of The Marne! 3rd ID



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Saturday May 1 - 06:02 - Posted by 322e7d1e71448c11...

Is this what so called Democracy and Freedom to the Iraqi People?
What happened to the american spirit? Even animal would not treat human this way!!!!!!
The whole world knows about the tortured and the abuse which the americcan had done to the human race all over the globe. What it is happening to the Iraqi people on the hand of the americcan is not something new. I guess it is just time to unveil their MASK.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Saturday May 1 - 06:03 - Posted by 73a869decda86766...

Thank you so much for your comments. A real piece of work.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 03:13 - Posted by 70d4ca44701a9f7f...

Yup, we’re saving them real good. Remodeling their cities too. 16,000 rotting under the desert sand. "Crusade" was the correct term.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 05:27 - Posted by 36d476be956cf32a...

COMPLETELY DISGUSTING.

THE U.S. HAS NO BUSINESS IN IRAQ. GET OUT! NOW!

AMERICANS ARE WORSE THAN SADDAM.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 07:43 - Posted by 94dcfa78168b5499...

Being a US Citizen, I am very upset over the treatment of those prisoners. Please realize that the majority of the United States is opposed the war. Peace!




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 08:41 - Posted by 2dcf7530bf648331...

Peace? A bit late - the more dead americans the better!



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 17:41 - Posted by cd51773a0e3b084a...

I am an european, and I realize that the majority of people do not want war in your country....peace to you brother or sister...your government needs to drop dead though...



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 16:35 - Posted by fe9c80cdb8c4c998...

What happened the american sweet apple pie Image when John Wayne act as third party peace keeper and save the mexican with pried and dignity. The whole world hate United State now and they realy know what Mcdonalds stands for.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 18:26 - Posted by 285f08bbb67de355...

US out of San Francisco!




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 19:00 - Posted by a180aca1b6b9e4ba...

as an American citizen, I deplore the acts of American military towards the Iraw prisoners.
I demand that each and every one of those involved in the torture of these detainees be put in jail for many, many years. How dare our president invade another country based on lies then allow things such as this. I as a American citizen, am so sorry that this has happened. I do hope the investigation go to the very top military officer involved in this and not scapegoat and blame only those under their command. This entire thing from the beginning of this war to the shameful
situation in the prisons makde me sick to my stomach.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 20:45 - Posted by 996c3475f909fbdb...

Karpinski is just trying to save her ass. She be court martialied for treason.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 20:57 - Posted by f51607c3a75a9c7d...

As a former Army interrogator who was due to leave today for Baghdad (to interrogate as a civilian contractor for the government), I can tell you with certainty that no competent US interrogator would condone, request, direct, allow, or ignore the conduct you see reflected in the pictures and related stories. You may be against the US involvement - that is fully understandable - but US interrogation methodology does not involve torture, most simply because it does not work. In fact, torture works against the interrogator’s mission which is to obtain accurate information in the shortest amount of time. Torture has been proven in history to elicit unreliable information and is morally repugnant.

This being said, there are always ’bad apples’ in any organization and they must be reported, and tried as the criminals that they are. The photos appear (to me) to be a military police idea of a prank, given the expressions of the MP’s, the fact that they took the pictures in the first place, and the sheer stupidity of the behavior. They bring discredit on all of us.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 09:22 - Posted by 8b15b8366f195712...

Dear Sir,

Please shut up! and go and take interogation 101 all over again...where do you live in a toilet bowl?

I just wonder people like you and other Americans who believed in this war and supported can even open their mouths and say something. You should cut your toungs and just stay quite that will be an honour.......What American’s are doing or perhaps western cultuers are doing to other countires is going to back fire soon...liberate Iraq...give women their rights...yeah right...I know how much rights women have here. Just in America...according to govt...sources every 15 seconds one women gets abused in America, I can have women dance naked for me for 1 dollar in any strip joint....oh not forget when we watch Jerry Springer in other countires, that really shows what incest is all about...

Cheers...I hope no offense is taken....



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 09:36 - Posted by c205cd658d19f792...

how can anyone take offence to the truth......YOU ARE WONDERFUL....I agree with everything you say....people really need to shut up
thanks for your comments..



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 21:56 - Posted by 7ef1596d212d552d...

BUSH ITS TIME NOW FOR YOU TO HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME AND APOLOGISE TO THE WORLD THE BIGGEST BLUNDER YOU DID AS A SERVING US PRESIDENT.

I WISH TO IMAGINE YOUR FACE EXPRESSION AND YOUR COMMENTS, REACTION, IF YOU SEE AMERICAN PRISONERS IN SIMILAR HORRIFYING SITUATIONS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

SHAME ON ALL THE BAD PEOPLE OF AMERICA AND SHAME ON BUSH AND SHAME ON ALL ERRING SOLDIERS.....HELL IS WAITING FOR ALL THE SINNERS.....GET READY....




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Sunday May 2 - 23:48 - Posted by d5e32d4378965409...

TISK TISK - Next time dont take any pictures- but keep up the good work.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 03:53 - Posted by f4f8636ea2f422e1...

i agree! im proud my country is allied with the USA.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 02:42 - Posted by 42eadb57ca9dfa17...

I would just like to say, that american soldiers are not very different from the rest of the american population, they are all GAYS
Also they can not seems that american female soldiers have some needs to be satisfied that american MEN can not give them. I think you all understand




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 09:25 - Posted by 8b15b8366f195712...

A man :) right on...now go say 10 HELL marry and ask for forgiveness...



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 08:01 - Posted by 709cab81c53da8e1...

all of this talk is so horrendous, afghanistan was wrong, iraq was wrong. there are no words to express the debased torture of the iraqi prisoners. just imagine if the situation had it been the other way round. if those prisoners had been american.
i am just an ordinary person but! if ANY of those people in those photographs were members of my family i believe i could become a terrorist on the same day i viewed the photgraphs.
another horror from iraq which keeps me awake at night, or i sometimes wake up crying is the image of a little girl about 10 being carried by her father with both her feet blown off by a cluster bomb. she is dying in his arms, the blood is pulsating out of her body as he looks at her helplessly and hopelessly. WHY use cluster bombs, BULLIES! the whole world knew that the best
equipped most technologically advanced army in the world could annihilate, massacre and maim the populations of both afghanistan and iraq.
and what about lt gen william boykin who promotes his god over anybody else’s god who said that george bush was put in the white gouse to lead the global fight against satan disguised as islam, and gave god the credit for protecting him and his troops in a bloody battle in somalia in 1993 that battle was he said, a fight between "the principalities of darkness" led by him and his soldiers at gods direction. WHO is the weirdo here? THINK
i have to agree with samir amin when he said "never have the armies of the north brought, prosperity, to the peoples of asia, africa, or latin america. In the future, as in the past five centuries, they can only bring to these peoples further servitude, the exploitation of their labor, the expropriation of their riches, and the denial of their rights. it is of the UTMOST importance the progressive forces of the west understand this.
on this note i am going to open a bottle of red, watch the news and learn how 11 more young, beautiful americans died today, probably they won’t tell the number of iraqi’s for the world knows that an american life is worth much more than the life of an iraqi. even though i am not there i, like many others watch the 6 o’clock news suffer and cry
helen




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 08:53 - Posted by a70089ffecbca8fa...

Testing site



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 09:30 - Posted by 8b15b8366f195712...

I have the ultimate proposal for all those american’s who start to beleive America’s is no longer the country they want o belong to..Give up your US citizenship and move to another country...



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 09:59 - Posted by c205cd658d19f792...

nobody said they dont want to be Americans, I am not an American but if I was I would be proud of my country......BUT THAT DOSENT MEAN THAT ALL WHAT YOU DO IS RIGHT!!!!!!!!! .....the damage that you have done in Afghanistan and Iraq is unbelievable. WAKE UP...do you understand that their will be hate between the muslims and the americans for another 100000000 years thanks to Bush???? How can we mend this damage??? YOU TELL ME...how???? How can we stop hatred and terrorist attacks?? How can we help you (Europe) when you are travelling not to be hit targets for the Bush quest for OIL.??????

god help us all...
I do not support terrorism but the muslims have never bothered us or attacked us FOR FIRST?
lets leave them alone........



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 17:00 - Posted by 51169aea54d0f019...

— I have the ultimate proposal for all those american’s who start to beleive America’s is no longer the country they want o belong to..Give up your US citizenship and move to another country...

And I have the ultimate proposal for all those Americans who continue to believe Iraqis should submit to US military intervention. Give up your unconvincing self-righteous bullshit and move your troops out of *their* country.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Monday May 3 - 18:45 - Posted by af533a1a76906436...

yessssssssssssss, now thats a post, good on ya as we say down under, I like your ultimate proposals....especially the give up your unconvincing self righteous bullshit and move the troops out.....I think I love you ...
GREAT WORK.....only wish it would happen though...............sigh

Lina



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 03:43 - Posted by f26a59f58e4b5936...

You like belonging to a war mongering nation that murders women and children? Bet you feel real proud of our brave fightin men acting like juveniles and smirking in front of the camera with degraded naked prisoners for friends back home.. Wave your plastic Chinese made American flag pal. Don’t do a anything else. God knows you might have to expend a little bit of effort and that’s just too much to ask. You approve of Bush’s war actions? Why don’t you get your ass over there to Falluja and take a few bullets for your cause then, patriot? Send us some pictures of your adventures..

No, we aren’t going to GIVE UP citizenship. We are going to stay right here and make a difference because it’s the right thing to do. No, we aren’t going to give up and make it easy for assholes like you. YOU are the problem with this nation and we won’t rest until your kind is but an ugly note in history.

"Pre-emptive" strikes. "Homeland security" "Patriot Act" "war on terrorism". No, this isn’t the country my fathers founded you idiot. This is the police state empire that you seem to enjoy licking the boots of. Bon appitite... I’ll see you on the battlefield of truth...



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 06:45 - Posted by 661b6922edcfa30a...

Wow! So this site is the ’hate America’ site? ...The only good American is a dead one...", etc.? So those of you who say such things can’t hate the policies, or leaders - but the all of the citizens? The US certainly has it’s problems, but damn!... obviously we can’t all get along I guess. Those of you spouting the hate are no different from the guards who abused the prisoners - you find a way to excuse your hate - just like the guards didn’t refuse an illegal order (if that’s what happened).

Man, this is depressing. If within the US we hate each other so much for having different views (none of us are the government), and if you who are not US citizens hate us, as a people, so much... how the hell will any of us ever achieve peace anywhere? The worst part of reading all of this, for me, is how angry some of the comments make me. You’re all entitled to your opinion - that’s what soldiers fight for.

So, go ahead hate (and kill?) each other. I hope to hell I don’t want to kill you because you hold a different view.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 15:46 - Posted by b7061dc1baf39843...

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> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Tuesday May 4 - 23:16 - Posted by 14fc61b9fe65151e...

Your antisemitism is interolerable and smacks of Nazis" jewish conspiracy." Eliminate Israel and jewish from your hackneyed statement— Bush & his cronies couldnt give a flying f*** about anyone but themselves and would step over Israel too if they felt like they had to.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 00:31 - Posted by be28b639d1243be3...

I am in the US NAVY. i think that what these guys did to the POW’s is not right but on the otherhand... if these are the POW’s who were the ones torching humvees, throwing grenades in our troops vehicles and killing civilians,burning them and hanging them off a bridge for fun then F*UCK THEM they deserve it all if not worse for what they did to us while we’re trying to give their people a good place to live.




> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 06:36 - Posted by 3adb15027ba973ec...

I am a foreign exchange student from Argentina, and in my opinion the U.S. Soldiers were really wrong... but i read in this site before that "YOU CANNOT JUDGE ALL THE US ARMY FOR THE ACTIONS OF A FEW", and they will recieve the punishment that they desserve. They were really WRONG for doing that but probably you should see their point of view, they haven’t been in the US for like a year, living in a really bad conditions plus they know that everyday some US Soldiers is kill in IRAQ in combat or for terrorist actions, a couple of weeks ago we saw in the newspapper a picture where there was a US Soldier haging of a bridge and the Iraquis around the dead body smiling all happy about that... that kinda makes you think...
The US Soldiers are the good guys so they shouldn’t do the same that they do with our troops? or if they broke the rules of the "Geneva Conventions on the treatment of war prisioners", why shouldnt we break them?... That prison everyday gets more prisioners for attacks against US Soldiers, some of them even killed US Soldiers.... and if they get the chance of have a US Soldier as a prisioner IM SO DAMN SURE that they will do everything to him....



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 07:41 - Posted by 7ddcd2d09e22bd69...

Ease up sailor. What they did was wrong, end of story. They acted like animals instead of
members of one of the finest militaries in the world. If we commit acts like this, then we are
the bad guys, we become every thing we stand against. We need to fry everyone involved.
No excuses, you did it, you pay.

Rock Of The Marne! 3rd ID

P.S. Drive on Sailor, Drive on.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 07:44 - Posted by 6b81729f0ce63704...

OK, You probably have not read the Seymour Hersh article. Many of these prisoners were detained for ambiguous reasons at roadblocks for "information." That is "information" obtained by torture. Even if these prisoners were throwing grenades, torture is unlawful, inhumane, immoral. Sickening.
Also remember, nazi war criminals were executed for acts commited in occupied territories. Among those crimes: torturing and executing partisans, or as the Nazis liked to call them, "terrorists."



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 09:12 - Posted by 8fcc923607c4ce99...

oh sure... like the seymour hersh article is the holy grail....
torture? i believe there was some torture going on as described in the investigatory report - which is amazing (and parts classified!), though not on the level (in most cases) of what is commonly considered as such, excepting the beatings and sodomization and the apparent death of a prisoner. even worse is the fact that over 26 prisoners escaped (hopefully some weren’t ’escaped’ on purpose.
the report details a horrible, poorly-led MP command, and general whatever her name was is probably the most sorry general i have ever seen or heard of in the US Army. there is no excuse for the mp’s behavior. if asked to do something like that, they should have refused - as others did. one of the prisoners shown in the human pile even mentioned that his interrogator asked for descriptions of the people who abused him (thank God).
now we have at least some of the individuals who are up on charges (criminal charges) trying to save their asses by (1) leaking the photos? (2) pointing the finger at everyone but themselves. so embarrassing.
i’m glad bush is going to apologize to the arab/islamic audience on al-arabiya. BG Janice Lapinski should be imprisioned... even one of her commanders under her said it was his fault, his "mp’s should have known better". disgusting.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 17:18 - Posted by 892048108d3c38bc...

Noone said the Hersh article was the holy grail. It does raise some questions though. Why are these women, children and men in the prison? Are they being held for flimsy trumped up reasons? As for torture, that has a very wide definition. There are many ways to degrade and brutalize people without rapes and beatings—still torture. Consider the possibility that the rapes and beatings and murders or near-murders are the result of a brutal and inhumane prison system, one that routinely degrades and brutalizes prisoners. If so, then the problem is what Hersh calls systemic. Consider the possibility that these soldiers were "taking orders" to a certain extent and had also divined that this kind of systematic humiliation, torture, rape, etc. would please the higher-ups and may have received some positive responses for what they were doing.
The Bush apology is a too little to late.



> US war crimes : how troops tortured Iraqi prisoners
Wednesday May 5 - 17:48 - Posted by 97888016521ca6ac...

"if these are the POW’s who were the ones torching humvees, throwing grenades in our troops vehicles and killing civilians,burning them and hanging them off a bridge for fun then F*UCK THEM they deserve it all if not worse for what they did to us while we’re trying to give their people a good place to live."


Oh, I see. The prisoners at Abu Ghraib deserved to be tortured in November/December 2003 (as the article above states) for the killings of the Blackwater contractors that occurred three months later on March 31, 2004.

Let me put it to you in American idiom: That dog don’t hunt.

Rather. if these were the POWs who were the ones torching humvees, throwing grenades in troops vehicles, etc., it is they who are the more excused, having already been treated to *this* experience of the US military "trying to give their people a good place to live."






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Important book review: "Capital in the Twenty-First Century" by Thomas Piketty
Tuesday 1 - 01:26
by Dr Gideon Polya
4% pa Global Wealth Tax to stop the 17M pa Global Avoidable Mortality Holocaust
Friday 27 - 09:30
by Dr Gideon Polya
Was Invading Iraq the Worst Decision in US History?
Monday 23 - 21:43
by Richard John Stapleton
IRAQ, ISIS, AND INTERVENTION: JUST WHAT IS GOING ON?
Saturday 21 - 15:37
by JOHN CHUCKMAN
Iraqi hydrocarbon prize of U.S. invasion in danger
Friday 20 - 09:37
by Nicola Nasser
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Antagonizing Palestinians, Australia’s linguistic blunder snowballs
Tuesday 17 - 20:09
by Nicola Nasser
THE WEST DECLARES on IRAQ
Monday 16 - 20:04
by SON OF A BUSH
GENOCIDE, GREAT WARS, AND OTHER HUMAN DEPRAVITY
Monday 16 - 15:33
by JOHN CHUCKMAN
The Jewish Plan For the Middle East and Beyond
Sunday 15 - 18:12
by Gilad Atzmon
A Clear Message to ISIS Leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
Saturday 14 - 17:31
by Willam Morgan
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How long will we stay quiet?
Saturday 14 - 13:13
by Just Wondering
Apartheid Australia backs Apartheid Israel & rejects term "Occupied"for OPT
Tuesday 10 - 09:44
by Dr Gideon Polya

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Neo-Nazis and far-right protesters in Ukraine 3 live-stream
Friday 24 January
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The far-right in Ukraine are acting as the vanguard of a protest movement that is being reported as pro-democracy. The situation on the ground is not as simple as pro-EU and trade versus pro-Putin and Russian hegemony in the region. When US Senator John McCain dined with Ukraine’s opposition leaders in December, he shared a table and later a stage with the leader of the extreme far-right Svoboda party Oleh Tyahnybok. This is Oleh Tyahnybok, he has claimed a "Moscow-Jewish mafia" (...)
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Hugo Chavez is dead (video live)
Wednesday 6 March
by : Collective BELLACIAO
President Hugo Chavez companeros venezueliano died after a long battle with cancer.
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International initiative to stop the war in Syria Yes to democracy, no to foreign intervention!
Thursday 13 December
Your support here: http://www.peaceinsyria.org/support.php We, the undersigned, who are part of an international civil society increasingly worried about the awful bloodshed of the Syrian people, are supporting a political initiative based on the results of a fact-finding mission which some of our colleagues undertook to Beirut and Damascus in September 2012. This initiative consists in calling for a delegation of highranking personalities and public figures to go to Syria in order to (...)
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THE KU KLUX KLAN ONCE AGAIN CONTROLS INDIANA
Monday 12 November
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
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At first glance, the results of America’s 2012 election appear to be a triumph for social, racial, and economic justice and progress in the United States: California voters passed a proposition requiring the rich to shoulder their fair share of the tax burden; Two states, Colorado and Washington, legalized the recreational use of marijuana, while Massachusetts approved the use of marijuana for medical purposes; Washington and two other states, Maine and Maryland, legalized same-sex (...)
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I’VE DECIDED TO "WASTE" MY VOTE
Sunday 28 October
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
In a 2004 episode of Comedy Central’s animated series South Park, an election was held to determine whether the new mascot for the town’s elementary school would be a “giant douche” or a “turd sandwich.” Confronted with these two equally unpalatable choices, one child, Stan Marsh, refused to vote at all, which resulted in his ostracization and subsequent banishment from the town. Although this satirical vulgarity was intended as a commentary on the two (...)
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HIGHER EDUCATION IN AMERICA: DREAM OR NIGHTMARE? PART IV
Friday 28 September
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
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PART I PART II PART III If there is one major inconsistency in life, it is that young people who know little more than family, friends and school are suddenly, at the age of eighteen, supposed to decide what they want to do for the rest of their lives. Unfortunately, because of their limited life experiences, the illusions they have about certain occupations do not always comport to the realities. I discovered this the first time I went to college. About a year into my studies, I (...)
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HIGHER EDUCATION IN AMERICA: DREAM OR NIGHTMARE? PART III
Friday 28 September
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
PART I PART II PART IV Disillusioned with the machinations of so-called “traditional” colleges, I became an adjunct instructor at several “for-profit” colleges. Thanks largely to the power and pervasiveness of the Internet, “for-profit” colleges (hereinafter for-profits) have become a growing phenomenon in America. They have also been the subject of much political debate and the focus of a Frontline special entitled College Inc. Unlike traditional (...)
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HIGHER EDUCATION IN AMERICA: DREAM OR NIGHTMARE? PART II
Friday 28 September
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
PART I PART III PART IV Several years ago, a young lady came into the college where I was teaching to inquire about a full-time instructor’s position in the sociology department. She was advised that only adjunct positions were available. Her response was, “No thanks. Once an adjunct, always an adjunct.” Her words still echo in my mind. Even as colleges and universities raise their tuition costs, they are relying more and more on adjunct instructors. Adjuncts are (...)
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HIGHER EDUCATION IN AMERICA: DREAM OR NIGHTMARE? PART I
Friday 28 September
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
PART II PART III PART IV When The Bill of Rights was added to the United States Constitution over two hundred years ago, Americans were blessed with many rights considered to be “fundamental.” One conspicuously missing, however, was the right to an education. This was not surprising given the tenor of the times. America was primarily an agrarian culture, and education, especially higher education, was viewed as a privilege reserved for the children of the rich and (...)
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ONE SOLITARY LIFE, PART TWO
Monday 30 July
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
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If there is one universal question that haunts all human beings at some point in their lives, it is, “Why do we die?” Death, after all, is the great illogic. It ultimately claims all, the rich and the poor, the mighty and the small, the good and the evil. Death also has the capability to make most human pursuits—such as the quest for wealth, fame and power—vacuous and fleeting. Given this reality, I have often wondered why so many people are still willing to (...)
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HOW MUCH CORRUPTION CAN DEMOCRACY ENDURE?
Thursday 28 June
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
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How much corruption can a “democracy” endure before it ceases to be a democracy? If five venal, mendacious, duplicitous, amoral, biased and (dare I say it) satanic Supreme Court “justices”—John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kennedy—have their way, America will soon find out. In several previous articles for Pravda.Ru, I have consistently warned how the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision is one of the (...)
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DEMOCRACY IN THE HANDS OF IDIOTS, PART TWO
Tuesday 12 June
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
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Imagine, if you will, that the United States government passes a law banning advertisers from sponsoring commercials on Rush Limbaugh’s radio show or Rupert Murdoch’s Fox (Faux) “News” Network. On one hand, there would be two decided advantages to this ban: The National IQ would undoubtedly increase several percentage points, and manipulative pseudo-journalists would no longer be able to appeal to the basest instincts in human nature for ratings and profit while (...)
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DEMOCRACY IN THE HANDS OF IDIOTS
Thursday 7 June
by : David R. Hoffman, Pravda.Ru Legal Editor
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LIVE, from the State that brought you Senator Joseph McCarthy, Wisconsin voters now proudly present, fresh from his recall election victory, Governor Scott Walker! At first glance, it is almost unfathomable that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would have voted to retain Scott Walker as Wisconsin’s governor. This, after all, is a man who openly declared he is trying to destroy the rights of workers through a “divide and conquer” strategy; who received 61% of the (...)
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PEOPLE WITHOUT SOULS
Tuesday 13 March
by : David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru
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A question I’ve frequently been asked since I began writing for Pravda.Ru in 2003 is, “Why did you become disillusioned with the practice of law?” This question is understandable, particularly since, in most people’s minds, being an attorney is synonymous with wealth and political power. I’ve always been reluctant to answer this question for fear it will discourage conscientious and ethical people from pursuing careers in the legal profession—a (...)
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MAY GOD DAMN WALL STREET, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE SUPREME COURT
Monday 13 February
by : David R. Hoffman, Pravda.Ru Legal Editor
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Don’t say I didn’t warn you. In my article The Greatest Threat to America, I stated that the five so-called “conservative” members of the United States Supreme Court—Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts and Kennedy—“have destroyed American democracy and its fundamental freedoms more ruthlessly and effectively than any terrorist group in the world” (Pravda.Ru 01/27/2010). They accomplished this in the 2010 case of Citizens United v. Federal (...)
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