Verizon Faces New $20 Billion Suit over NSA Spying Complicity

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• 25 February 2006, 21:56

  HOW CAN WE JOIN IN?

  • 26 February 2006, 18:27

    It’s about time someone took action against this administrations unfettered, unbriddled atactks on personal privacy laws guranteed by the constitution. I say go for it and hurry up before its too late for anyone to do anything about it.

  • 1 March 2006, 17:57

    For anyone who doubts this administration is acting outside of the law, please research.

    Title 50, Chapter 36, Subchapter 1, ss 1802
    Title 50, Chapter 36, Subchapter 1, ss 1809
    Just type it into your web browser, then from the google results page, click on any link from either Cornell Law, Findlaw, or whatever, and it will direct you to the United States Code home page.

    Bush did break the law. There is no way he could have spied on us in any situation without a court order.

  • 16 April 2006, 04:22

    I subscribe to verizon - can I join?

    Isamel sanchez @elvsnc@earthlink.net

  • 12 May 2006, 04:22

    We must all join together in this unsurprising events into our privacy within our homes. lets unite folks. I’ve stopped all communications as of today. Verizon wireless, home and dsl.

• 25 February 2006, 23:03

  Believe it or not the NSA has technologies available to actually eaves drop over cell signals. Next time you are next to a speaker in your house whether it be a tv, radio, pc speakers etc..notice how there is a hum if your cell phone is on or nearby. You dont even have to be receiving a call or activate the phone for it to be active in the cell band transmission. Yes they can turn your speakers into a 2 way communication device.

  Also...joking about tin foil hats, conspiracy whackos, black helicopters etc wont make the technology I have described less true.

  • 26 February 2006, 02:53

    hay!!! to whom it may concern, my new Nokia, model 3100 cell with cingular service
    dials out 3 or 4 digts all on it’s own, does this often through the day and night, with
    no help from me... The reason that i am awear of this is i hear it in my speakers in my car,
    in my tv, in my computer speakers, i feel as if i am being monitered...seems to me
    if it can dial out it can become a listening or sending device... bye the way, no reason
    for me to be worried about anything, so i am not living in anyway that would cause me
    to be monitered...i also feel that it is an infringment on my privicy, not only that i am
    paying for a service that some unknown enity is using with out my knowing about it...
    i would not even know about it if it wasn’t coming through every speaker in my
    possession, i can even hear it my landline phone if i am on it when it sends out it’s
    signal...it’s nice to know that it’s not just me that is having privicy issues with the
    service supplied by the cell phone companies.. one of the main problems with this
    enfringment is that i am paying for somthing that i considerated private when a
    program is using my cell service, for whatever reasons... i feel that i should be
    reinbursed for carrying around a device that someone else is using and i am paying for...

• 26 February 2006, 02:56

  TOTAL BULL SHIT

  • 26 February 2006, 04:56

    Try dusting off your brain, then use it. You might find that your moronic response is exactly
    what Bush & Co. wants the entire country to believe.

  • 26 February 2006, 09:23

    Not quite Total Bull Shit.

    Thanks to regulations from the Federal Communications Commission, wireless handsets must know their locations within a few hundred feet, regardless of whether their owner wants it.

    Your phone, obviously, is encoded with it’s own unique i.d. Newer units can be ’tapped’ or ’pinged’, if you will, discreetly. That is, the company can send a signal that causes your phone to respond (just as if it were on and ready to receive a call), even when it has been turned ’off’ by the user. The reception of the incoming and transmission of the outgoing signals are not (NOT) detectable by the user just by looking at or listening to their phone. (The only way to disable this feature is by disconnecting the battery.)

    Cell companys can pinpoint most units to within a few hundred feet with no problem. GPS capable units are good down to less than 10 feet in some cases. (plenty accurate enough to target a cruise missile... Just ask the NSA how they were targeting Zarquawi...)

    As for those of you who have held your phones near speakers and picked up what you may think are phone related ’disturbances’... get a cheap oscilliscope or modify a radio shack scanner. (They even sell the book on how to do it.)

    GSM cell phones internationally use frequencies within four different frequency bands :

    * 850 MHz (824.2 - 848.8 MHz Tx; 869.2 - 893.8 MHz Rx)
    * 900 MHz (880-2 - 914.8 MHz Tx; 925.2 - 959.8 MHz Rx)
    * 1800 MHz (1710.2 - 1784.8 MHz Tx; 1805.2 - 1879.8 MHz Rx)
    * 1900 MHz (1850.2 - 1909.8 MHz Tx; 1930.2 - 1989.8 MHz Rx)

    Although 850 and 900, and 1800 and 1900 are very close together, a phone that works in one frequency band unfortunately can not also work in the frequency band next to it unless added as a specific extra frequency band. For comparison, when you have your FM radio tuned to a radio station at 98.1 MHz, there’s no way you’ll hear what is happening on another radio station at 98.3 MHz unless you retune your radio. But, I digress...

    Originally, the US used only 1900 MHz for its GSM cell phone service. In the last few years there has been a growing amount of GSM service on the 850 MHz band. This type of service will usually be seen in rural areas, because the 850 MHz band has better range than the 1900 MHz band. (Some people refer to the 850 MHz band as being the 800 MHz band. This is incorrect. The actual frequencies in the band are closer to 850 MHz and the standardized naming convention as promulgated by the GSM Association is to refer to this band as ’850 MHz’. But, again, I digress...)

    With said oscilliscope or modified scanner (which, by the way, is a violation of FCC codes), you will prove to yourself that you are not crazy and that your phone is indeed being used as a silent tracking device.

    IF, HOWEVER, you are a good law abiding citizen, oscilliscope challenged, and disinclined to go to all that trouble, and you use a Motorola iDEN i58sr, i88s, i325, i355, i265, i285, i605, i710, i730, i830, i850 or i860 cell phone carried by Nextel, SouthernLINC (US) or Telus (Canada), for FREE you can visit www.accutracking.com and enroll in their tracking service. (Don’t trust your spouse? All you need is a few minutes alone with their cell phone and access to the web.) The service will initially send a couple of text messages to the phone being tracked and, after that, there is no way the person using the tracked unit could be any the wiser. (the data stream actually encodes altitude as well!)

    ALL (ALL) cell phones are tracked continuously while online. (Duh! it’s how we bill.) Most people don’t know that those records can be stored indefinately. The ever ominous ’They’ can not only tell exactly where you are now, but every where you’ve been with your phone in the past while ’hot’ (talking).

    Scary? Naw... it’s fun. At least for me. I’m one of the the ’They’...

    Yours truly,

    Just another ’nobody’ from the dungeons of one of Verizon’s Corporate Research and Technologies units.

    PS... "A cell phone user voluntarily transmits a signal to the cell phone company and thereby assumes the risk that the cell phone provider will reveal to law enforcement the cell site information." U.S. Attorney Michael Garcia

  • 27 February 2006, 02:03

    If it’s total bs, as you say, then why is Verizon being sued? It’s easy to give an opinion, but difficult to back it up. What facts can you give to justify your opinion? If you don’t reply to this, I’ll know that you have no facts.

  • 27 February 2006, 02:37

    Bill of Rights
    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    Amendment III

    No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

    Amendment VII

    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Amendment VIII

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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  • 27 February 2006, 09:00

    To the guy who hears his cell in every speaker in his house. That is just not possible. You may be coming down with some type of paranoid hallucinatory disorder. Seek medical attention at once. As for the tracking and listening potential of GSM this is all 100% true. I myself have a friend who’s been listening to cell phone calls for years (analog only). This is what the modified radio shack scanner is for. You can even do it on an unmodified scanner by listening to the reflections of the blocked freqs. (look online for explaination of this.) My friend used to even turn it on at parties and we’d all listen and laugh at the stupid things people talk about. They’ve also heard many idiots discuss drug deals and other fun stuff. But mostly it’s girlfriend arguing with boyfriend / -boyfriend/girlfriend cheating on each other and then girlfriend calling her stupid girlfriends and bitching to them about their boyfriend. Pretty entertaining stuff. (then you have us sitting around laughing at them all.) People would give out their phone numbers all the time or leave messages on voice mail and you could just call them up and freak them out. They also freely use their credit cards to order shit over their cell phones. You can just sit there and write down their CC# and their CVS # + expiration date and full name+ address. It’s crazy. NOt that my friend would do anything like that but they could very easy and then order a bunch of say... black dildos and have them shipped to the address of the card holder that you just heard.
    Digital signals are more secure but you can buy the equipment on the black market for around 7-9 grand. THis will give you access to snoop on any GSM call. Search the internet for a legit supplier if you don’t believe it. They only sell legally to law enforcement or foreign countries though I know a guy..... The tracking feature of your cell phone can also be used by 911 and emergency services in case you get stuck in a blizzard or get hurt and can’t give your location. So there is a good side to it I guess. They just triangulate the signal from 3 towers, it’s pretty basic stuff actually. If you were in an isolated area where your phone could only be reached by one tower this (tracking) would not be possible so it’s not without it’s flaws. That rarely happens though unless you are way out in the country away from any center of population. They can track you and monitor you at any time for as long as they wan’t without you ever knowing it and you can’t do anything about it. Sorry but it’s true.

  • 27 February 2006, 09:37

    Now all they have to do is Sue the hell out of Rupert Murdoch and everyone who works for him.

    then you will see the domino’s begin to fall.

  • 1 March 2006, 17:48

    I’m afraid that it si true that you can hear your Cell Phone ping through your computer, radio, or Television. In fact, I have a $3200 Techwood, Pro Studio home theater system that picks it up clearly approximately every 20 seconds. It sounds like a series of intermittent morse code static signals for 2 to 3 seconds. This is when the cell is just laying there on the coffee table. Just before a call comes in, the TV screen slightly waves/rolls, then the morse begins, and the phone rings. This does not stop until I hang up. So to avoid this while watching TV, I move the phone farther away from the living room, like the dining room. When I set it down on the computer desk, my computer screen waves and scrolls at the same interval as the TV. In the car is a different story. You wont hear anything unless you set it close to the radio, and turn the volume all the way down.

  • 11 February 2009, 06:39, by erick

    do you still have the rent a center stereo system? margie914@verizon.net ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

• 26 February 2006, 22:15

  Humans are one of the most dangerous living species on earth, capable of obliterating the entire planet. Hence we should all submit to being monitored, catalogued, itemized, tracked, tagged, spied on, sanitized, individualized, then thrown in a jiffy pop popcorn bag and then thrown in a vat of Bergazu (African leather and shoe polish). ALL FOR OUR OWN SAFETY !!

• 27 February 2006, 02:06

  This spying, if it can be proven, is another example of how the U.S.A. has been turned into a police state. God save America from its leaders!

  • 13 May 2006, 14:15

    How can I get in on a class action suit. I HATE Verizon - I HATE their unsolicited calls to my home trying to cell their shitty internet access. I HATE when they wake me up! I want them SUED!!

  • 20 May 2006, 00:50

    I have AT&T service with my business and residential phones and Verizon for the cellphones. With both my residential and business lines, I have experienced an open air sound and my own voice will echo back (as if someone has picked up an extension). I am definitely be monitored and resent the hell out of it.

  • 18 December 2007, 02:52

    I too would like to join in the class action suit against Verizon for allowing the NSA to spy on me.