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It is so important to find out the truth

by Open-Publishing - Tuesday 9 November 2004
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Elections-Elected USA

by Susan F.

Many people will probably say that in this age of terrorism, we cannot have a dispute about who is president.

I think there is nothing more important than to do what is needed to get to the bottom of this and to obtain fair election results. This is not a matter that can be ignored this time around. The consequences of a Bush reign could be more serious to America’s future than anything else.

Forum posts

  • The only people who are having a dispute about who is president are the people who lost. A more serious consequence of Bush being president is for Kerry to be president. How would you like to go through four years of another Carter but ten times worse.

    • You people in the U.S. are being suckered brilliantly by this phony "war on terror". I saw a picture once of an electronic billboard above a freeway that flashed a 1-800 # urging commuters to report "terrorism"!!! The only real terrorists are your fake-elected government and the laughable opposition party that pretended to offer an alternative.

      Wake up U.S.A. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Turn off Faux News!!!!!!!!!!!!! Turn off the video games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • So I guess all those people who died in the twin towers, the pentagon, and the downed plane in Pennsylvania are all fake. Those people who died in Bali and Madrid are all fake. Those people who were bombed at the Kobar Towers, the African embassies and the Cole really didn’t exist. Those kids, parents, and teachers who got killed and shot at in a Breslan school are all fake. Go ahead, deny everything and deny terrorists really exist. Be like an ostrich and bury your head in the sand. That’s all you can really handle.

    • Dude, I never said terrorist acts don’t happen. Geesh.
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BAK411A.html

    • Well boob, if terrorist acts do happen, what do you call people who do them. Terrorists? But didn’t you say that the only real terrorists are the government and the opposition. Yeah, you’re really making a lot of sense.

    • There is a lot of suspicion that 9/11 was orchestrated by our own leadership to galvanize the nation behind them. We MUST have a clear vote and either prove or disprove these allegations. The issue is far larger than Bush / Kerry. It must be resolved. Don’t you get that if this is left boiling beneath the surface it will tear this country to shreds from the inside? Look at your election results, for Christ’s sake. If they were valid, you have 49% of the people who showed up at the polls voting to oust an incumbent president in war-time. Does that sound even close to a unified country to you? Half this country seriously believes this war was illegal, 9/11 was an inside job, and the elections are rigged. We MUST clean that up beyond a doubt or it could lead to far more than bitching. At this point, it no longer matters who’s in the White House, dammit!

    • Being Australian,I have friends who lost people in Bali and I can tell you all of them hold Bush and our Prime minister John Howard responsible whether directly or indirectly.Stop being so naive.

    • At last someone with a brain.The reason for causing world unrest and localised fear is control.The more fear the more power is given to the CIA or in our case ASIO.Asio can now take you from your home without reason and hold you for 2 weeks.This happenned to and Indonesian friend of mines uncle.They entered his house,he had two children under 5,they pointed guns at his terrified wife and children,dragged him away with no reason,and after he had endured 2 weeks of interogation and humiliation,they released him.I am scared to voice an opinion openly anymore,I am scared for my 19 year old son,a political rapper.I had my phone tapped recently.My son had some kind of survelience team outside his house for two weeks because he accessed an internet site the thought was suspicious.More and more there are programs here to dob in your neighbors and family.
      People dont realise,the more scared people are the easier it is to introduce things like microchipping,video survelence etc.I am not paranoid or delusional,anyone that doesnt think this is a possibility visit Applied Digitals web site.

    • Carter or Nixon...hmmm, that’s a tough choice, how about benedict arnold. Now that sounds more like it.

      Or did you forget the president works for us, not the other way around. Bush wasn’t working too hard on 9/11, in fact, he had a nice long vacation...hopefully he does the same now.

      I find it funny that neo-cons, sheep, and disinfo agents, are camped out on an anti-war blog and are the FIRST to post comments. Republicans better wake up and realize their party has been taken over by neo-fascist extremists.

      You guys need to go back to the drawing board. Disinfo, propaganda, and distraction are used up played out tactics the cia is still using.

      Oh no, don’t call me a tin foil hat wearer...what will I do if society doesn’t accept me..boo-hoo.

      This won’t work, just come out and show us the real fascist you are...you can say it, "you’re terrorist sympathizers"...c’mon, we’ve been waiting for it, you know...all of us nixonian commie pinkos have found a new home, we just need you to start using the right language.

      Then you will have to make sure to ban the books, or just monitor who reads them, oh wait, your doing that already with the fatherland security.

      Look, you can support somebody who’s grandpa was busted under the trading with the enemy act for giving nazi’s a nice little war chest, or maybe you’d just rather support someone who was investigated by the SEC for the pump and dump, why not just enlist to go to Iraq, put your money where your mouth is...then again, most republicans are scared of their own shadow, just like democrats.

      Yup, you better learn the language, because you shouldn’t fear democrats, fear the truth, like you are now.

      Getting under your skin huh?

      "no, dumb liberal, I am proud of paying for the bombs laced with DU that are being used, and I don’t care if our troops(and children of Iraq) have to walk through all of it and come home with unexplainable conditions due to exposures of DU. So what if a couple of terrorist babies are born with no eyes and lungs and some soldiers get some tumors...oh and the rapes of the children at Abu Ghraib, torture of common criminals, that an investigation found Rumsfeld ordered and led to the conditions were these acts could occur...that doesn’t bother me either, I want to get my hands on the video they took, then I can show all my friends just how dumb liberals are."

      Just keep telling yourself that, you’ll believe it eventually.

      LMAO

    • Oh, so you’re one of those who blame the government and everybody else except for the actual people who did the deed. It’s people like you and the spaniards that let terrorists get away with it because you don’t hold them responsible. Pitiful.

    • FYI, Bin Ladin admitted through that tape that he was the one behind the attacks on 9/11.

    • You’ve seen way too many michael moore movies. The vacations that bush takes are working vacations. In fact in one of the clips you can clearly see Blair. As for that day on 9/11, what did you expect him to do right away? He had the barest of information. Did you want him to go around half-cocked making decisons based on nothing? As for who needs to wake up, wake up to four more years of Bush. He’s making the agenda not the democrats who have lost big time in this last election.

      As for this being an anti-war blog, so what, can’t it handle a diversity of opinions. Besides war can be useful, otherwise all you euros, australians and asians would be speaking in german and japanese.

    • FYI,the bin laden family were flown out of America on 9/11 in the only plane allowed to leave US air space that day.

    • Well how many 9/11 victims families have you talked to,they mostly feel the same way and as they are the victims here,shouldnt they be who we are listening to?

    • So why was the Bin Laden family flown out of the country on 9/11 in the only plane to be allowed to leave US air space that day.

    • Thats right,you have to believe everything you see in the media coz they are totally above corruption.

    • Yeah, except one of his brothers often stays the night for a pajama party with our "President" and his family down in Crawford, and they consider him a member of the family, and they flew all of Osama’s relatives out of the country while all other civilian flights were prohibited.

    • Listen you morons, it was one of your own, Richard Clark, who let members of the bin ladin family fly away. He even said so himself. Pull your head out of your ass and read something other than a blog.

    • Oh please, most 9/11 families think Clinton was at fault. He didn’t do much of anything about terrorism although it was his administration that was there for eight years and compiled all the info.

    • Oh,so thats why their demanding further investigation into the matter and why new yorkers voted for Kerry is it?Coz they blame Clinton,I see...said the blind man.

    • You moron, the people who died in the towers were not all new yorkers, they most came from the tri-state metropolitan area of NY, NJ, CT. The relatives don’t all live in NYC, a lot of them live outside of NYC where they voted for Bush! And their asking for further investigation is a similar reaction to loss that you losers are experiencing because Kerry lost.

    • Like as if Clark took it upon himself to do that without any orders from the boss.....yeah right, sure he must have attended some of the pajama parties too, and just thought well, I guess I’ll arrange that plane that the Republicans lease for all of their sleazy covert trips and send the Bin Ladens home, I don’t have any authorization from the boss to spend thousands of dollars on the air lift but hell I can always get someone to reimburse me....yeah right...

    • LOL! Dude, you really don’t have a clue do you? If he admitted that he gave the authorization, then he could also admit that he was forced to give the authorization, but he didn’t. There was no reason to lie, he was already dismissed from his office. LOL!

    • Well we must admit that since the Spanish threw out their coaliation government the terrorists have disappeared...should we learn a lesson from them?

    • You haven’t been reading their news lately. They just caught a whole nest of terrorists that were planning to put bombs all around the city. Yeah, the lesson to be learned is that appeasing terrorist doesn’t prevent them from attacking you.

  • Fuck the South. Fuck ’em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they’d stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

    And now what do we get? We’re the fucking Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?

    Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn’t bother to read the first half of the fucking sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were fucking blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason all the fucking monuments are up here in our backyard?

    No, No. Get the fuck out. We’re not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and fucking Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those fucking stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for fucking blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their fucking Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don’t get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I’ve been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads. Fuck off.

    Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being fucking arrogant? What’s more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don’t think so. Arrogance is the fucking cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn’t be so fucking arrogant if I wasn’t paying for your fucking bridges, bitch.

    All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your fucking Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to us if you want to, but you’re the ones who built on a fucking swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a shithole," we said, but you had to have your fucking orange juice.

    The next dickwad who says, "It’s your money, not the government’s money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get the most federal fucking dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherfucker, they’re red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s fucking our money. What was that Real American Value you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy your own fucking stop signs, assholes.

    Let’s talk about those values for a fucking minute. You and your Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values over you fucking Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It’s fucking Massachusetts, the fucking center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that’s right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the fucking nation. Think that’s just some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are fucking blue states, asshole, and most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to fucking guess? 10 of the top 10 are fucking red-ass we’re-so-fucking-moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its fucking part.

    But two guys making out is going to fucking ruin marriage for you? Yeah? Seems like you’re ruining it pretty well on your own, you little bastards. Oh, but that’s ok because you go to church, right? I mean you do, right? Cause we fucking get to hear about it every goddamn year at election time. Yes, we’re fascinated by how you get up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you’re fucking towers of moral superiority. Yeah, that’s a workable formula. Maybe us fucking Northerners don’t talk about religion as much as you because we’re not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous assholes? No, you’re too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the fucking Northeast Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain’t us up here in the North, assholes.

    Well this gravy train is fucking over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.

    And no, you can’t have your fucking convention in New York next time. Fuck off.

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  • You want the truth? SUSAN AND THE DEMS CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Kerry lost, that’s the truth. Kerry lost by 3.5 million votes and and 34 electoral votes. That’s the truth. But that isn’t good enough for these dems because they can’t believe that the average american could beat them. Well they did and you can just accept the truth.