> Conversations on Chemtrails- The truth about what is happening in America
29 March 2005, 03:09
Extreme put out a CD in the 1990’s entitled "III Sides To Every Story". The recurring theme throughout the album is that each story has three sides - your side, my side, and the truth.
The truth in this "chemtrail" matter has NOT been definitively arrived at, and I am constantly both amused and saddened to see how both sides remain closed-minded to the others’ viewpoints and arguments. It is very reminiscent of the "faith-based" belief system we call "religion".
Having said that, you might think I am neutral on this issue. I would simply say I do not know the truth (don’t you wish you would hear that more often? We’re all so damned opinionated, it almost seems to become a habit to have an opinion)... What I am is an extremely logical person, and as such believe strongly in the scientific method as being the singlemost valid route to discovering the truth - as long as it is able to be studied by our current scientific knowledge of course - black holes and quantum physics being two such topics that are on the cutting edge. "Chemtrails", however, are NOT cutting edge. They are seemingly related to human activity (as opposed to UFOs, for instance), and therefore are EASY to study. Are they not? Sure, gotta fly high in the atmosphere, and that’s expensive. Yadda yadda yadda. Point is... "chemtrails" CAN be studied directly, hands-on.
Logic, therefore, dictates that in this instance, the burden of proof is on the "believers" to PROVE to the world that this phenomenon is real. Now I’ve had this argument numerous times with certain "believers", and the second we begin the discussion, the name-calling begins. I become a Federal agent - FBI, CIA, NSA - with only one purpose, to disinform. I become an "idiot" or a "comedian" for not being able to "see" what they see in the skies.
Quite honestly, the "believer" crowd has done themselves NO favors if they ever wish this issue to become valid. I have not seen a single thing - on Rense or Carnicom’s sites, or anywhere - that presents the "chemtrail" phenomenon as being studies scientifically. It’s all visual evidence (which proves what?) - from the "golly gee whiz will ya look at that?!" types...
Three sides to every story. We know two sides here. One side says "oh it’s nothing, ignore them, they’re just misguided conspiracy nuts". The other side says "See, they are doing this to us and are denying and covering it up." So... What is the truth? How do we arrive at the truth? Logic goes a long way, people. Study the phenomenon scientifically, and publish peer-reviewed results.
Like it or not, that is how the Western world operates. Buck the system if you like, but to logical people like me, that only comes across as you saying "Well, we really DON’T have any proof, but we’ll kick and scream and yell and call you names until you listen to us." It often borders on being entirely juvenile, if you ask me. I’ve actually heard things like "they’ve brainwashed you into believing in the scientific method." My honest feeling is that some of you just don’t understand science, and therefore do not know how to argue your concerns scientifically. That’s fine - but you need to get someone on your side that can.
Until the "chemtrail" crowd presents their evidence in a scientific manner, and works WITH the "debunkers" (as I am sure to be called if this messages remains posted), I fear that we will still be arguing about this 40 years down the road, just like we still argue over JFK and Connolly’s injuries being caused by a single "magic bullet".
Extreme put out a CD in the 1990’s entitled "III Sides To Every Story". The recurring theme throughout the album is that each story has three sides - your side, my side, and the truth.
The truth in this "chemtrail" matter has NOT been definitively arrived at, and I am constantly both amused and saddened to see how both sides remain closed-minded to the others’ viewpoints and arguments. It is very reminiscent of the "faith-based" belief system we call "religion".
Having said that, you might think I am neutral on this issue. I would simply say I do not know the truth (don’t you wish you would hear that more often? We’re all so damned opinionated, it almost seems to become a habit to have an opinion)... What I am is an extremely logical person, and as such believe strongly in the scientific method as being the singlemost valid route to discovering the truth - as long as it is able to be studied by our current scientific knowledge of course - black holes and quantum physics being two such topics that are on the cutting edge. "Chemtrails", however, are NOT cutting edge. They are seemingly related to human activity (as opposed to UFOs, for instance), and therefore are EASY to study. Are they not? Sure, gotta fly high in the atmosphere, and that’s expensive. Yadda yadda yadda. Point is... "chemtrails" CAN be studied directly, hands-on.
Logic, therefore, dictates that in this instance, the burden of proof is on the "believers" to PROVE to the world that this phenomenon is real. Now I’ve had this argument numerous times with certain "believers", and the second we begin the discussion, the name-calling begins. I become a Federal agent - FBI, CIA, NSA - with only one purpose, to disinform. I become an "idiot" or a "comedian" for not being able to "see" what they see in the skies.
Quite honestly, the "believer" crowd has done themselves NO favors if they ever wish this issue to become valid. I have not seen a single thing - on Rense or Carnicom’s sites, or anywhere - that presents the "chemtrail" phenomenon as being studies scientifically. It’s all visual evidence (which proves what?) - from the "golly gee whiz will ya look at that?!" types...
Three sides to every story. We know two sides here. One side says "oh it’s nothing, ignore them, they’re just misguided conspiracy nuts". The other side says "See, they are doing this to us and are denying and covering it up." So... What is the truth? How do we arrive at the truth? Logic goes a long way, people. Study the phenomenon scientifically, and publish peer-reviewed results.
Like it or not, that is how the Western world operates. Buck the system if you like, but to logical people like me, that only comes across as you saying "Well, we really DON’T have any proof, but we’ll kick and scream and yell and call you names until you listen to us." It often borders on being entirely juvenile, if you ask me. I’ve actually heard things like "they’ve brainwashed you into believing in the scientific method." My honest feeling is that some of you just don’t understand science, and therefore do not know how to argue your concerns scientifically. That’s fine - but you need to get someone on your side that can.
Until the "chemtrail" crowd presents their evidence in a scientific manner, and works WITH the "debunkers" (as I am sure to be called if this messages remains posted), I fear that we will still be arguing about this 40 years down the road, just like we still argue over JFK and Connolly’s injuries being caused by a single "magic bullet".
(putting soapbox away for another day lol)