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Election Challenge: Dem vs. Repub arguments & facts

by Open-Publishing - Tuesday 11 January 2005
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The first two arguments in the Senate over the vote challenge highlight the arguments perfectly: while the Democrats have facts, all that the Republicans have is name
calling. Didn’t we learn better than that...in Kindergarten? They call us
conspiracy theorists insisting their was no evidence of manipulation,
however had they done their homework and read Conyer’s report they
would know better.

From the Excecutive Summary of Conyer’s 102 page report (pdf) on Ohio:

"We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election, which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters. Cumulatively, these irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousand of votes and voters in Ohio, raise grave doubts...

"We find that there were massive and unprecedented voter irregularities
and anomalies in Ohio. In many cases these irregularities were caused
by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving
Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the
Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio."

Read that again, ’massive
irregularities’ affecting ’hundreds of thousands of voters’, and
’intentional misconduct and illegal behavior’ by Blackwell ....
this is significant and worthy of investigation. Now compare the
opening arguments, Ms. Boxer’s statement vs her Repubican counterpart
Mr. DeWine.

Sen. Boxer (D): Under our great Constitution of the United States of America, which we swear allegiance to uphold, which guarantees the right to vote, we must ask certain questions.
  1. First, why did voters in Ohio wait hours in the rain to vote?
  2. Why were voters at Kenyan College, for example, made to
    wait in line until 4 a.m. to vote? It was because there were only 2
    machines for 1,300 voters when they needed 13.
  3. Why did voters in poor and predominantly African- American communities have disproportionately long waits?
  4. Why in Franklin County did election officials use only 2,798 machines when they needed 5,000?
  5. Why did they hold back 68 machines in warehouses, 68 machines that were in working order?
  6. Why were 42 of those machines in predominantly African-American communities?
  7. Why in the Columbus area alone did an estimated 5,000 to
    10,000 voters leave polling places out of frustration without having
    voted?
  8. How many more never bothered to vote after they heard this
    because they had to take care of their families or they had a job or
    they were sick or their legs ached after waiting for hours?
  9. Why is it when 638 people voted at a precinct in Franklin
    County, a voting machine awarded 4,258 extra votes to George Bush?
    Thankfully, they fixed it. Only 638 people had shown up, but George
    Bush got more than 4,000 votes. How could that happen?
  10. Why did Franklin County officials reduce the number of
    electronic voting machines to downtown precincts while adding them in
    the suburbs? This also led to long lines.
  11. In Cleveland, why were there thousands of provisional
    ballots disqualified when everyone knew that poll workers had given
    faulty instructions to the voters?


Because of this and voting irregularities in so many other places, I am
joining today with Congresswoman STEPHANIE TUBBS JONES, a 10-year
judge, an 8-year prosecutor, a 6-year Member of Congress, a woman
inducted into the Women’s Hall of Fame. Folks, she has great
credibility, and she asked just one Senator to take a couple of hours. I hate inconveniencing my friends, but I believe it is worth a couple of hours to shine some light on these issues.
Sen. DeWine (R): Mr. President, I find it almost impossible to believe that I am actually standing on the floor of the Senate today engaged in a debate over whether George Bush won Ohio in the 2004 Presidential election. Clearly he did and did so by 118,000 votes. Because I am limited under the rules to 5 minutes, I will not have time to address all of the wild, incoherent, and completely unsubstantiated charges that have been made about the 2004 Ohio Presidential election.

What might be a better way for me to explain the absurdity of the suggestion that Ohio did not go for President Bush is to quote from numerous editorials that have been written in Ohio newspapers. The Cleveland Plain Dealer, a newspaper that did not endorse either President Bush or John Kerry, said in an editorial this past Tuesday addressing those in Ohio and those from out of State still contesting Ohio’s results:

The election horse is dead. You can stop beating it now. Not one ounce of political flesh remains on that carcass. Ohio has counted and recounted: President George W. Bush received 118,775 more votes than your man Sen. John Kerry. The senator had the good grace and sense to acknowledge the abundantly obvious, go home, and resume his life. You might consider emulating his excellent example, because what you are doing now—redoubling your effort in the face of a settled outcome— will only drive you further toward the political fringe. And that long grass already is tickling your knees. The 176 Democrats who sit on Ohio’s 88 county election boards pondered their jurisdictions’ results, accepted their subordinates’ good work, and are turning their energies toward the future. Are they all dupes in some Machiavellian Republican scheme? Or do they simply have a firmer grasp of reality than that displayed by the two of you and a handful of unrelenting zealots still ranting in the January rain, eight weeks after the November voting?


[Akron Beacon Journal, Dec. 24, 2004] STILL CHASING CONSPIRACIES; WE WISH JOHN KERRY WOULD HAVE WON OHIO. HE DIDN’T

[Cleveland Plain Dealer, Jan. 4, 2005] PLEASE, LET IT GO. ELECTION WAS
2 MONTHS AGO; INAUGURATION IS IN 2 WEEKS; JACKSON AND TUBBS JONES
SHOULD GET ON TO SOMETHING USEFUL

[Columbus Dispatch, December 12, 2004] SOUND AND FURY; ELECTION-CONSPIRACY THEORISTS DO NOTHING TO IMPROVE VOTING

[Cleveland Plain Dealer, Dec. 15, 2004] MOVE ON NOW; THE ZEALOTS WHO
REFUSE TO ACCEPT OHIO’S VOTE COUNT RISK UNDERMINING CONFIDENCE IN THE
SYSTEM ITSELF

It is terribly unfortunate that this body is meeting under these
circumstances. I urge my colleagues to act unanimously in seating
Ohio’s electors. I ask unanimous consent to have the full text of the
above-mentioned articles printed in the RECORD.
Mr. Dewine said he was limited by the 5 minute rule, so he could not "address all of the wild, incoherent, and completely unsubstantiated charges," but then he proceeded to submit several full length newspaper editorials into the record. If he had specific facts to refute the "unsubstantiated charges", why didn’t he insert those into the record, rather than the editorials?

If this were a court of law and DeWine was defending the legitmacy of the election, his argument would have been thrown out as being nothing more than "wild, incoherent, and completely unsubstantiated charges."
Boxer made the only (slight) attempt to address the election fraud. She raised some good questions, but wrote it off as merely ’inconveniencing’ her friends. Being a true representative of her constituent’s wishes and actually fighting for truth and justice did not appear to cross her mind.

Excerpts from the rest of the Dem Senators comments
Mr. DeWine’s comments and submission of newspaper editorials was the practically the only Republican Commentary on the issue in the Senate. After DeWine, they turned the floor over to the Democrats who spoke for an hour or so, then Senators Voinovich and McConnell finished off the ’debate’, apparently waiting just so they could get in the last word.
Sen. Voinovich: It is clear that those who persist in beating a dead horse are attempting to create uncertainty where none exists. That is why I am so disappointed that this body is squandering its time playing Monday morning quarterback when the result of Ohio’s Presidential election is clear. President George W. Bush won my home State and its 20 electoral votes. Frankly, I am proud of how the election went in Ohio...

Not one shred of evidence has been presented to show that Ohio’s strictly bipartisan system of running elections was manipulated. There isn’t any. (Senator Voinovich lied on the Record)
Sen. McConnell: I understand that a minority of a minority protests the presidential vote in the State of Ohio. But President Bush has indisputably won that State by over 118,000 votes, and the votes have been counted twice... Even [Kerry] has not endorsed the radical scheme that a minority of a minority has unleashed on us today.

Please forget what the media has told you is the truth and think for
yourself: Do the Republicans have a justifiable argument proving that
this was a legitimate election?

Is there enough reasonable doubt to warrant an investigation?

  • Bush ’won’ by 118,000 votes, yet 93,000 ballots have not been counted- why?
  • Tens of thousands of Americans did not vote
    thanks to deliberate dirty tricks from Republican elections officials-
    nobody knows how many were turned away- that is reasonable doubt.
  • The votes were counted by voting machines owned by republican donors- they were connected by modem and can be hacked with the results reversed in seconds- that is reasonable doubt.
  • These same companies make gas pumps and ATMs with paper receipts, yet
    they deliberately did not include printers in the voting machines so we
    have no paper trail. Those currently in power deliberately eliminated
    the possibility of a manual recount- that is reasonable doubt.

Take the truth to your friends, family and co-workers
Vote Fraud Talking Points pdf

Don’t just sit there- do something to Wake Up America.

Full Transcripts of the Jan 6th Election Challenge
jan6th_house.pdf
jan6th_senate.pdf

http://benfrank.net/nuke/modules.ph...

Forum posts

  • Absolutely on the mark. I did not hear anything but opinion coming from the republicans except for maybe the charge of tire slashing in WI & the dead people voting, and I wonder if they would be willing to testify to that under oath? EVERYTHING else they said was opinion and name-calling. None of the charges were debated or addressed by Republicans - traitors to the ideals of this country one and all. This country is built on the sanctity of the vote, nothing is more critical. FIX IT.

    • I agree. It was very dissappointing to hear the Republican engage in name calling and deversionary tactics rather than addressing the issues. No one was asking to overturn the election (which was stated time and time again), they were only seeking to draw attention to extreme irregularities and sad discriminatory tactics that were uncovered in the the Ohio election. There was a clear discussion from the democrats with a great arguement for uniform regulation of voting in federal elections. Leaving this to the states allows partisan politics to undermine the authenticity of the election.

      Although its was not stated outright, the numers of irregularities clearly could have cost Kerry the election.

      However, with a majority party of republicans in the house and senate, the best that could have been hoped for was a legitimate discussion of the topics and a few strong republicans to stand up for federal voting regulation and uniform standards. Unfortunatley, none were to be found.

  • HOW IT IS POSSIBLE ? THAT IN PALESTINE (DEFINITELY WITH LESS RESOURCES THAN USA) THE EXIT POLLS PICK THE RIGHT CANDIDATE ????

    http://www.turkishpress.com/world/news.asp?id=050109193946.se2ivxil.xml

    MEANWHILE IN USA, WHEN EXIT POLLS DECLARE VICTORY TO ONE CANDIDATE, THE ELECTED WINNER IS NOT THE ONE PROJECTED BY THE EXIT POLLS. (2000 AND 2004)

    HOW COME, AND WHY THE ONES IN THE TOP, AND ABLE TO CHALLENGE THIS MATTER, DO NOTHING ABOUT IT ??
    WHY CNN MSNBC DON’T HIRE THOSE PALESTINIAN POLLSTERS TO END THIS CONFUSION WITH EXIT POLLS AND SAVE THEMSELVES THE EMBARRASMENT , WHEN THEY BELIEVE THAT WHATEVER HOCKY EXPLANATION THEY GIVE US REGARDING EXIT POLLS WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT!!

    CNN MSNBC FOX AND ALL THE RESOURCES AND MONEY CAN GET A EXIT POLL RIGHT??
    WHO AR EYOU KIDDING???

    • The Exit Polls were RIGHT! Kerry won, but CNN, Fox et. al are ALL a party to the Fraud that took place on Nov. 2. They are a party to it as evidenced by the fact that they haven’t covered this story!
      The truth will come out. The MAJORITY of Americans voted FOR KERRY! There IS power in numbers.
      BE PATIENT... WE WILL SUCCEED IN EXPOSING THIS FRAUD, perpetuated by this group of insurgants in our Country (W. & GANG)!

  • no one seemed to bring up the fact that Dr. Steve Freeman found the Bush win to be a statistical impossibility based on exit polls vs results in the swing states.

    http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/ep...