BOYCOTT 911truth.org’s bogus march on 9/11

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• 24 August 2005, 02:03

  Yes Yes, Nico. You know where Patriot Jim Kujawa will be, buddy. take care God Bless

  • 16 October 2006, 00:51

    you people have way too much time on your hands...

• 24 August 2005, 03:30

  Depressing but true. This is not simple naivete on the part of people like Kyle Hence or David Kubiak or Medea Benjamin.
  They know better. How can they disgrace themselves in front of their peers like this ?
  These people are too smart and too well-connected to be simple useful idiots.
  They have to be conscious of what they are doing.
  Difficult to fathom how they rationalize sabotaging the truth .. how do they look at themselves in the mirror ?
  Does self-respect or basic decency have any meaning to them at all ?
  There must be significant amounts of cash, foundation grants, and the promise of favors from the spooks at the top.
  What else could motivate this kind of misdirection and manipulation from people who obviously are in-the-know.
  This is not stupdiity, except perhaps around the periphery. among the followers and groupies.
  This is crafty evil.
  As always, Nico’s principle of FOLLOW THE MONEY (and the organizatinal connections) leads us to motivation.
  Which makes me sick, because now I realize how comfortably sociopathic manipulators and liars operate on the so-called progresssive/left side of politics in this country.
  I used to respect Ralph Nader.
  Now, I can hardly stand to listen to him.
  Ditto with Amy Goodman and Pacifica generally.
  What was their price to prostitute themselves to the vampires at the Ford Foundation ?
  Nauseating... isn’t it ?

  I agree with Nico.
  Let’s forget their diversionary march and concentrate our forces where they will have the most effect at the WTC site itself.
  I guess the question is (vis a vis limited hangouts): How much time do we spend trying the reach the rank-and-file of these organizations ... the followers who are being conned ?
  Can they be reached ? Are there enough of them that it would even matter ?
  Are they psychologically capable of seeing through this stuff ?
  Or is it better to focus more on new people, just opening their eyes to psy-opes and false flag operations ?

  Is it worth the effort to address the scam operators and junior spooks like Hence and Levis, who propagate LIHOP and other gatekeeping diversions ?
  Can we reach around them and through them to their followings ?
  Or is that a waste of our resources ?

  • 24 August 2005, 04:59

    Doubt this is about money. Looks more like a United Front style operation is gearing up.

    Just getting up to speed on the players over this last week.

    Instinct tells me that the saboteurs are just front-men for whoever’s next.

    Appears that the left/right optical illusion is mesmerizing as ever - for most factions.

    Antony Sutton’s just gotta be shaking his head from 6 feet under.

    Remember what Mae Brussell said about "80 percent top drawer and 20 percent rat poison"??

    Some folks seem to have fine tuned that to 95 and 5.

    Back to catching up.

    dragonfly

• 24 August 2005, 05:11

  Hi Nico,
  I’ll be with Craig as journalist/activist. I hope that no-one leaves without knowing just how deeply involved the Buscists were in the 9/11 attacks.
  Jim, WGDR.org

• 24 August 2005, 06:11

  Nice work, Nico 911truth.org is the U.S. government’s "truth" movement, who does more to suppress the truth than expose it, subverts all effective actions, and specializes in wasting activists time with strategies that have proven to be useless for years. I could add a few items to Kubiac’s record of trying to stop this movement, but you’ve done a fine job here. Thanks. --- Jolly Roger

• 24 August 2005, 08:48

  The NYC Sept. 11th, 2005 march and rally for the truth are not even sponsered by 911truth.org. Everything in this article is fabricated and without basis.

  Someone did not do their homework, but is spending a lot of time discrediting a grassroots earnest attempt to get the truth out, by a small handful of people.

  Any actions at Ground Zero on Sept. 11th, would not interfere with the March for Truth in the afternoon. The Action at GZ is planned for the morning.

  Demonstrations don’t just happen. They take time, work, effot and dedication. They don’t happen by mean spiritedness.

  Millions of people in NY know we have been lied to by our goverment and by the complicit media — but they need a vehicle to feel supported, to express this sentiment. This march is a chance for all of us to stand up, and use our first amendment, to speak out against the NY Times and the corporate media that are not fulfilling their responsibility to the public. This September 11th, 2005, The People of NY will march for the truth of 9/11, in unison.

  We agree on a lot more than we disagree on. I think the efforts of the small group of people who organized this event (AND IT WAS NOT 9/11 TRUTH) should be applauded for what they are doing. I don’t see anyone else working hard, day and night, completely volunteering without any pay, to galvanize The People to ACTION.

  We must expose the PNAC, their roots and their agenda. We must get the WORD OUT about NORTHWOODS --- because you sure wont see it in the New York Times. This government has built a profile of guilt and the media is complicit. There is enough evidence of complicity that we can agree on, and we are NOT SEEING IN THE CORPORATE NEWS.

  These efforts to lie and discredit this planned action in the afternoon of Sept. 11th, are completely unecessary negativity and disinformation.

  September 11th, 2005 The People of NYC will march and rally for the truth. I hope you will be a part of this effort to Demand the Truth!

   In peace, for the Truth
  >^..^<

• 24 August 2005, 12:16

  hey "nico", what’s up with that link? lol

  meet at GZ huh? Sign says you need a permit, but you knew that didn’t you.

  

• 24 August 2005, 15:51

  All you need to know for 9/11/05 in NYC is that the Ground Zero ceremony takes place at 8 am, the Times Square march begins place at 1 pm, and the real organizers of both - the ones actually working for a change in New York City - are in agreement that there is no conflict between the events.

  Neither group has anything to do with Nico Haupt, who has been isolated and excluded from every 9/11 truth and other progressive groups in New York City. People can see through his provocations and chaos strategy, which is why he has now teamed up for this Web propaganda with an obscure provocateur group from Texas whose specialty is in lies and character-assassination about every single other 9/11 truth group on the Web.

  Haupt is organizing nothing, and has never organized any action in the real world.

  The only possible COINTELPRO operation going on on this page is his disgusting innuendo and endless lies about everyone else in the 9/11 truth movement. Not only is almost all of this stuff completely fabricated, it’s also so incoherent that a response is near-impossible.

  This is designed to trap us all into endless sniping within a small circle, guaranteeing nothing constructive gets done. How easy it is for one moron to declare, "XYZ is the government!" and just have that repeated ad infinitum, no evidence, no logic required.

  • 25 August 2005, 02:04

    ...wow, i feel shocked to be criticized by one and the same person 3 times, who even doesn’t bother to change
    his IP 4.***.48.*** and therefore his own dumbness.
    Writing style and this computer illiterate behavior pretty much reveals Nic Levis himself or one of his closest "admirers".
    Only his own ego would respond to the trahila-picture and that was basically the trap i prepared to this coward.

    Interestingly, there was also no denial on any of the facts i presented on the shady background of 911truth.org,
    which is pretty much already a confirmation of what i wrote.

    Also zero explanation, why Levis, Sherry Bender (she also supported a pro-Elliot Spitzer and anti-chemtrails petition in the past) + Co. didn’t want to protest at GROUND ZERO.

    nico aka ewing2001

    (PS: "ewing2001" existed as a nickname before 9/11. It wasn’t inspired by Patrick Ewing, but indeed by the ’controversial’
    ewing-oil family of the TV drama "Dallas".

    If this reader would have read my 9/11 encyclopedia, he would also have recognised Larry Hagman,
    who played JR Ewing and spoke out against George Bush some years ago.
    If the criticism of my research nickname is the biggest criticism against my other alter ego, then i’m pretty much shocked again : )

• 24 August 2005, 15:55

  The author of this piece doesn’t even bother to tell people the who-what-when-where about an action he actually supports. (No time given.)

  The entire focus is on defaming the work and plans of others with a load of bullshit and veiled threats.

  That tells me enough.

  • 24 August 2005, 23:22

    Next time, Nic, reply with your real name and don’t post 3 times from same IP 4.***.48.*** :)

  • 25 August 2005, 02:03

    ...wow, i feel shocked to be criticized by one and the same person 3 times, who even doesn’t bother to change
    his IP 4.***.48.*** and therefore his own dumbness.

    Writing style and this computer illiterate behavior pretty much reveals Nic Levis himself or one of his closest "admirers".
    Only his own ego would respond to the trahila-picture and that was basically the trap i prepared to this coward.

    Interestingly, there was also no denial on any of the facts i presented on the shady background of 911truth.org,
    which is pretty much already a confirmation of what i wrote.

    Also zero explanation, why Levis, Sherry Bender (she also supported a pro-Elliot Spitzer and anti-chemtrails petition in the past) + Co. didn’t want to protest at GROUND ZERO.

    nico aka ewing2001

    (PS: "ewing2001" existed as a nickname before 9/11. It wasn’t inspired by Patrick Ewing, but indeed by the ’controversial’
    ewing-oil family of the TV drama "Dallas".

    If this reader would have read my 9/11 encyclopedia, he would also have recognised Larry Hagman,
    who played JR Ewing and spoke out against George Bush some years ago.
    If the criticism of my research nickname is the biggest criticism against my other alter ego, then i’m pretty much shocked again : )

• 24 August 2005, 17:18

  I like this:

  "April 2004 Nic Levis registers summeroftruth.org. The website oddly also includes a small picture of a galaxy. Levis, also known as trahila, is obviously not only refering to a small village in greece, but "triton", the original meaning of trahila. Triton is the largest moon of Neptune, with a diameter of 2700 km. Is there a deeper manipulation of the readers, by putting this picture up?"

  Galaxies! Villages! Moons!

  It’s Treason, I tell you!

  Hmmm, to respond in the same vein...

  "Haupt, also known as ewing, obviously models himself not only on that ultimate false hope, Patrick Ewing — the basketball star who teased New York for many years without ever bringing home a championship — but also the notorious J.R. Ewing of TV’s Dallas, indicating the Texas oil interests that his well-financed slander-campaign against 911Truth.org covertly serves. Beware, beware."

  Before 9/11 Haupt was a kind of itinerant performance artist, and obviously he’s still at it.

  • 24 August 2005, 23:01

    The nickname "ewing2001" was not inspired by Patrick Ewing, but by the Ewings from the TV drama show "DALLAS".

    Every other comment on negative responses is meaningless for me, because it wasn’t pointed out, what exactly was "fabricated".

    Greetings back to the positive responders :)

    PS: I organised various events and groups, as seen in my bio.

  • 25 August 2005, 01:54

    ...wow, i feel shocked to be criticized by one and the same person 3 times, who even doesn’t bother to change
    his IP 4.***.48.*** and therefore his own dumbness.
    Writing style and this computer illiterate behavior pretty much reveals Nic Levis himself or one of his closest "admirers".
    Only his own ego would respond to the trahila-picture and that was basically the trap i prepared to this coward.

    Interestingly, there was also no denial on any of the facts i presented on the shady background of 911truth.org,
    which is pretty much already a confirmation of what i wrote.

    Also zero explanation, why Levis, Sherry Bender (she also supported a pro-Elliot Spitzer and anti-chemtrails petition in the past) + Co. didn’t want to protest at GROUND ZERO.

    nico aka ewing2001

    (PS: "ewing2001" existed as a nickname before 9/11. It wasn’t inspired by Patrick Ewing, but indeed by the ’controversial’
    ewing-oil family of the TV drama "Dallas".

    If this reader would have read my 9/11 encyclopedia, he would also have recognised Larry Hagman,
    who played JR Ewing and spoke out against George Bush some years ago.
    If the criticism of my research nickname is the biggest criticism against my other alter ego, then i’m pretty much shocked again : )

  • 25 August 2005, 01:55

    ...wow, i feel shocked to be criticized by one and the same person 3 times, who even doesn’t bother to change
    his IP 4.***.48.*** and therefore his own dumbness.
    Writing style and this computer illiterate behavior pretty much reveals Nic Levis himself or one of his closest "admirers".
    Only his own ego would respond to the trahila-picture and that was basically the trap i prepared to this coward.

    Interestingly, there was also no denial on any of the facts i presented on the shady background of 911truth.org,
    which is pretty much already a confirmation of what i wrote.

    Also zero explanation, why Levis, Sherry Bender (she also supported a pro-Elliot Spitzer and anti-chemtrails petition in the past) + Co. didn’t want to protest at GROUND ZERO.

    nico aka ewing2001

    (PS: "ewing2001" existed as a nickname before 9/11. It wasn’t inspired by Patrick Ewing, but indeed by the ’controversial’
    ewing-oil family of the TV drama "Dallas".

    If this reader would have read my 9/11 encyclopedia, he would also have recognised Larry Hagman,
    who played JR Ewing and spoke out against George Bush some years ago.
    If the criticism of my research nickname is the biggest criticism against my other alter ego, then i’m pretty much shocked again : )

  • 25 August 2005, 02:01

    ...wow, i feel shocked to be criticized by one and the same person 3 times, who even doesn’t bother to change
    his IP 4.***.48.*** and therefore his own dumbness.
    Writing style and this computer illiterate behavior pretty much reveals Nic Levis himself or one of his closest "admirers".
    Only his own ego would respond to the trahila-picture and that was basically the trap i prepared to this coward.

    Interestingly, there was also no denial on any of the facts i presented on the shady background of 911truth.org,
    which is pretty much already a confirmation of what i wrote.

    Also zero explanation, why Levis, Sherry Bender (she also supported a pro-Elliot Spitzer and anti-chemtrails petition in the past) + Co. didn’t want to protest at GROUND ZERO.

    nico aka ewing2001

    (PS: "ewing2001" existed as a nickname before 9/11. It wasn’t inspired by Patrick Ewing, but indeed by the ’controversial’
    ewing-oil family of the TV drama "Dallas".

    If this reader would have read my 9/11 encyclopedia, he would also have recognised Larry Hagman,
    who played JR Ewing and spoke out against George Bush some years ago.
    If the criticism of my research nickname is the biggest criticism against my other alter ego, then i’m pretty much shocked again : )

  • 25 August 2005, 16:24

    ...wow, i feel shocked to be criticized by one and the
    same person 3 times, who even doesn’t bother to change

    his IP 4.***.48.*** and therefore his own dumbness.
    Writing style and this computer illiterate behavior
    pretty much reveals Nic Levis himself or one of his
    closest "admirers".
    Only his own ego would respond to the trahila-picture
    and that was basically the trap i prepared to this
    coward.

    Interestingly, there was also no denial on any of the
    facts i presented on the shady background of
    911truth.org,
    which is pretty much already a confirmation of what i
    wrote.

    Also zero explanation, why Levis, Sherry Bender (she
    also supported a pro-Elliot Spitzer and
    anti-chemtrails petition in the past) + Co. didn’t
    want to protest at GROUND ZERO.

    nico aka ewing2001

    (PS: "ewing2001" existed as a nickname before 9/11. It
    wasn’t inspired by Patrick Ewing, but indeed by the
    ’controversial’
    ewing-oil family of the TV drama "Dallas".

    If this reader would have read my 9/11 encyclopedia,
    he would also have recognised Larry Hagman,
    who played JR Ewing and spoke out against George Bush
    some years ago.
    If the criticism of my research nickname is the
    biggest criticism against my other alter ego, then i’m
    pretty much shocked again : )

• 25 August 2005, 02:04

  ...wow, i feel shocked to be criticized by one and the same person 3 times, who even doesn’t bother to change
  his IP 4.***.48.*** and therefore his own dumbness.
  Writing style and this computer illiterate behavior pretty much reveals Nic Levis himself or one of his closest "admirers".
  Only his own ego would respond to the trahila-picture and that was basically the trap i prepared to this coward.

  Interestingly, there was also no denial on any of the facts i presented on the shady background of 911truth.org,
  which is pretty much already a confirmation of what i wrote.

  Also zero explanation, why Levis, Sherry Bender (she also supported a pro-Elliot Spitzer and anti-chemtrails petition in the past) + Co. didn’t want to protest at GROUND ZERO.

  nico aka ewing2001

  (PS: "ewing2001" existed as a nickname before 9/11. It wasn’t inspired by Patrick Ewing, but indeed by the ’controversial’
  ewing-oil family of the TV drama "Dallas".

  If this reader would have read my 9/11 encyclopedia, he would also have recognised Larry Hagman,
  who played JR Ewing and spoke out against George Bush some years ago.
  If the criticism of my research nickname is the biggest criticism against my other alter ego, then i’m pretty much shocked again : )

• 25 August 2005, 20:32

  Nico’s article over-reaches, includes at least borderline guilt-by-association in places, and spends way too many words on Peak Oil — especially for something he supposedly believes to be a only a mere "debunked psyOP scam".

  Nonetheless, I still find the article to be of overall positive value.

  False friendly misleaders such as David Kubiak, Kyle Hence, and John Judge need to be outed for what they are.

  Not only do these people refuse to address (they’ll barely acknowledge) the Naudet video "flash frame", which is powerful simple visual evidence that 9/11 cannot possibly be blamed on Muslim hijackers (as ignored by the 9/11 Commission), but they also refuse to address the government’s own evidence which showed that whatever hit the Pentagon was too small to be a 757. (Also ignored by the 9/11 Commission.)

  That’s precisely how a "limited hang-out disinformation campaign" would approach its function.

  Worse, these false-truthers seek to smear, banish, marginalize, censor 9/11 truth sites which do look at such 9/11 evidence — evidence which blows the false-truth gatekeepers’ position right out of the water, as surely as it causes the government’s hokey 9/11 story to crumble. Of course, being accomplished, well-funded disinformationists, these gatekeepers are too slick to dirty their own hands with this task, which they out-source to that oilempire/Robinowitz site. This mechanism has the added benefit of keeping the many gatekeeper sites from even mentioning the 9/11 truth sites that the gatekeepers, on behalf of the government, are trying to suppress. (And that has the added side-effect of helping to keep the suppressed sites’ Google rankings lower.)

  That stategy gets much of the credit for having prevented the truth about 9/11 from having moved via the internet.

  Paul Thompson proudly traces the history of 9/11 back to "al-Qaeda", as does the U.S. government’s fraudulent cover story, just as National Geographic’s propaganda-reinforcing piece did once again for us all on Sunday.

  Connect the dots and the truth emerges...

• 26 August 2005, 01:10

  Dear Nico

  Having followed with interest (obviously) the activities of the 9/11 truth movement in the US this was MY response to your article on our forum in the UK. By comparison with the US our network is small and ameteurish, but we are growing and getting more ’professional’ and who knows our approach may have lessons for the US. Believe me, we have the same ’diversity of opinions’ in the UK as you have in the US.

  Best wishes

  Ian

  http://nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=245

  This relates to Nico H’s article below slating the people behind the http://www.summeroftruth.org/ events this coming 9/11 as 9/11 gatekeepers and disinfo agents.

  http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7803

  Now in relation to these opinions my advice is make your own minds up. It is precisely because these divsions, suspicions, allegations and counter allegations have arisen in the US that we are trying to find a different path.

  Let’s face it we will never get full disclosure and accountability from either Bliar or Bush without massive public support and the key to winning that public support is first and foremost public awareness of the facts and evidence out there.

  And the key to building public awareness is trusting grassroots activists to speak their own truth and to use the resources (books, dvds, articles, etc) they find most effective in spreading the word.

  That is why this network has NO spokes people and why we do not endorse any one position. Anyone can speak in support of the campaign but not FOR the campaign. If we are approached by the media (as we have been occasionally) to put forward people to speak in support of the campaign, we are pleased to do so and obviously we tend to towards recommending those who appear to be the most knowledgeable, credible and articulate.

  But anyone doing so speaks in a PERSONAL capacity. Similarly local groups and individual activists are obviously free to approach the media or politicians and speak in support of the campaign and this is whole heartedly encouraged

  This approach will hopefully avoid some of the problems the movement in the US has suffered from. We have no need to debate endlessly whether we are LIHOP or MIHOP, whether we are pod people or non-pod people, whether such and such a person is batting for the other side, whether there were any islamic hijackers, etc. We have no need to reach a central ’party line’ and endlessly police ourselves to check if we are ’on message’. We have to trust ourselves and the wider public with the intelligence to think for ourselves.

  Indeed any other approach (unless we are particularly lucky or wise) is bound to failure, since as soon as you try and control such a movement you will end up with internal squabbles, power/ego struggles and in-fighting.

  At the end of the day (without actually endorsing them obviously) people like DRG and Webster Tarpley to name 2 have given us all the evidence and amunition we need to make our case. The centre of this network need do v little other than act as a means for grassroots activists to connect with each other, set up their own groups and activities and spread the word.

  • 26 August 2005, 13:49

    This is another posting from Europe, to be specific from Athens, Greece.

    Next April (April 2006) Athens is to host the European Social Forum. The programme is being decided upon next month (September) in Istanbul, and it is utopian to think that the 9/11 Truth issue will be able to get onto it. Of course I may be wrong about that. The last European Social Forum was held in London, and there was a 9/11 workshop. Ian may even have been one of its organizers.

    Nevertheless, another initative which is underway at the moment, started by members of ATTAC in Germany, is for a Europe-wide network of grass-roots citizens groups to make proposals for an alternative Europe, one which has a better chance of going forward than the Europe of the failed ’Constitution’ now rejected by the citizens of France and Holland.

    http://www.anothereurope.net/wiki/index.php/Call_for_local_assemblies_%28EN%29

    9/11 Truth movement members in Europe should start forming or joining these local assemblies, without having a ’single-issue’ attitude about their engagement but also without hiding genuine convictions that the phoniness of the ’terrorism’ issue, whether in the US, in London or elsewhere must be brought to light.

    Maintain contact with other 9/11 truth activists, but also do not be sectarian and go looking for trouble with ’Leftist gatekeepers’, who are a predominant, but not invincible, element, in the Social Forum movement.

    Further information: omades@in.gr

• 26 August 2005, 02:26

  ...feels no need to hide that he’s making multiple posts, like others here.

  Which means what?

  (Now Haupt has invented a new category of guilt by association: guilt by IP.)

  One of the biggest lies in Nico Haupt’s catalogue is that there is any conflict between the Ground Zero event planned for the morning of 9/11/05 and the afternoon march from Times Square starting at 1 pm.

  The real people who are organizing the real Ground Zero action happen to be in agreement with the organizers of Times Square to co-participate, live and let live.

  Note that in all his ranting above, Haupt does not specify a time for the Ground Zero action he supposedly promotes.

  This is far less interesting to him than destroying and defaming others.

  In fact, the real Ground Zero action (that morning at 8 am) is not being organized by Nico Haupt in any way.

  (Haupt may be referring to the fictional action at "high noon" announced by WING-TV, a COINTELPRO-style group from Texas who have no organizers whatsoever in New York, and whose mission clearly is to poison the 9/11 truth movement with attacks on everyone from Alex Jones to 911Truth.org.)

  The organizers of Times Square do have a problem with Ground Zero: it’s a memorial ceremony, and they want to leave the relatives be.

  But the organizers of Times Square are not campaigning against the Ground Zero idea or urging anyone to boycott it.

  Nor are the organizers of Ground Zero boycotting Times Square.

  Ergo, the entire problem here is a fabrication of the fantasist Nico Haupt.

  Given that most people read at a 5th grade level or better and understand self-contradicting bullshit when they read it, there is little need to answer Haupt’s 1,001 attempts to fabulate guilt by (tenuous) association, strawmen, and obvious lies.

  His behavior has alienated him from almost everyone he ever worked politically with in real life, and he is left only with pretending to be a big man on the Internet.

  One lie should be noted: 911Truth.org has never received funding or had any association directly or indirectly from any of the sources this, ahem, lying sack of shit has mentioned.

  And I speak here for myself only.

  Nicholas Levis

  • 27 August 2005, 01:31

    Levis, i don’t know who "everyone" is, but i’m still getting 2000 emails every week from worldwide 9/11 researchers and 9/11 activists and most of them have nothing to do with your BS organisation.

    I removed myself from my own projects in january 2005, therefore i don’t know what you’re talking about.

    You’re a lousy wimp, who’s not facing the truth and instead blocking it. I call this pro-fascist and criminal.

    You claim, the article was long but you won’t even respond on the few paragraphs about Kubiak and you?
    Slandering my ego doesn’t help you. People know already i’m stubborn too and often over-emotional and i don’t pretend i’m not.

    So what? I have the right to be mad at saboteurs like you.

    I also never heard about a permit to fight fascism alert>.

    Time is running out. Those, who buy into the BS of Levis and think, they’re less cointel-pro than me, have to figure out, where they really stand and leave their blindfolds on.

    I wonder, why people support an organisation, when their biggest promotion buddirs actually SUPPORT the official story of 9/11:
    Nafeez Ahmed, Peter Lance, Danny Schecter.

    You have also to wonder, why they didn’t promote Webster Tarpley’s new book so far, which i believe, is one of the most important ever, ALSO promoting the controlled collapse.

    Why?

    btw, no responses so far on the Kubiak-George connection. Pretty telling, why...
    (original sources see link above)

    "...Not mentioned in Kubiak’s bio, is his affiliation with US Department of Defense, via his friend Russ George.

    Both George and Kubiak had been connected via a cold fusion research team called d2fusion.com, before they knew each other via the PLANKTOS Foundation. http://www.planktos.com/people.htm

    Kubiak is getting involved with George’s team with Professor Dr. Y.C. Zhang.

    Russ George is a scientist who presented seminars at U.S. Secretary of the Navy, MITI (Ministry of International Trade and Industry, NASA Space Power Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory, The Naval Research Laboratory, Lockheed Martin Corporation, General Atomics and many other private military contractors. http://www.d2fusion.com/technologie...

    Dr. George has also worked as a visiting scientist in the Claytor/Tuggle laboratory at Los Alamos.

    Professor Dr. Y.C. Zhang works at the Tsinghua University, which was occasionally sponsored by defense contractor Westinghouse, which is also supported by the James Baker Institute and their Micro-Nuclear Technology research. http://tauon.nuc.berkeley.edu/asia/... ..."

    PS: I’m also not "paranoid" about everything.
    Nic Levis aka trahila aka Jack Riddler aka JesusChrist is in denial and already cornered here, too:

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x53744

  • 27 August 2005, 02:11

    This time I forgot to sign above : )

    Nico Haupt aka ewing2001

    This is how it works, Levis:
    You have to respond first to the actual points about the background of your organisation, before you distract about my person.

    I added my bio above, which you ignored on purpose.

    Where you’ve got your spin, that i "didn’t organise" anything at all, is a mystery for me.
    Maybe you think, people will not click on that link or can’t read at all??

    So while we are here (and the article was "too long" for you),
    can you NOW explain the affiliation of the following people with 911truth.org?:

    Military/Intel connections:
    Russ George and David Kubiak (a collective of 9/11 researchers and 9/11 activists will grill him next week)

    Karl Schwarz (November 2004, pushed by Levis for a Jimmy Walter event) -formerly in negotiations with CIA company In-Q-tel
    Ray McGovern (ex-CIA), supports negligence myth of 9/11
    Melvin Goodman, former Senior Analyst, CIA

    Leftgatekeepers:
    Danny Schecter, Premilla Dixit (WBAI supporter),

    Supporter of the official story of 9/11:
    Nafeez Ahmed, Peter Lance, Donna Marsh O’Connor

    NeoCons/NWO/Club of Rome/Population Controlists:

    Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D.-a member of the ultra-hawkish neocon think tank, Committee on the Present Danger, whose honorary chair is George Shultz (Bechtel).

    Jim Garrison, Ph.D.-founder of the State of the World Forum with Mikhail Gorbachev and co-founder with Jesuit Daniel Sheehan of the Christic Institute, which was widely suspected of deliberately bungling and wrecking Iran-Contra investigations in the 1980s.

    Morton Goulder, Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter. New Hampshire venture finance tycoon Goulder was the founder of defence electronics giant Sanders Associates which was acquired by Lockheed/Martin in the 1980s and is now known as BAE Systems.

    ...the list of irritating connections and "supporters" of 911truth.org is actually longer.
    I thought, i concentrate on the most obvious persons.

    So what’s about it?

    It’s odd.
    Neither the people above or you ever wrote a clear article about that 9/11 was an Inside Job, never spoke about physical evidence of 9/11, that it was an inside job, neither they worry about pending ww4, based on the bogus war on terror.

  • 27 August 2005, 02:54

    The irony is, that Levis is exploiting someone elses work for himself, by pretending it was done by Levis, 911truth.org and co:

    – the current 911truth.org march is actually organised by Sherry Bender.
    I have to confess, the reason why i didn’t mention her, was to set Levis up and reveal himself.
    He didn’t mention her as well, in their newsletters :)

    They let other people do the dirty work for themselves, then exploit it, infiltrate and manipulate their outcome.

    – Levis’ german 9/11 truth.org event in 2003 was not organized by himself, but by Ronald Thoden.
    However, he hijacked the event as one of their spokesmen, after i was too stupid to recommend Levis that time to Thoden.
    Later Levis manipulated Thoden totally out of the credits at their final statements.

    – ny911truth.org was not created by Levis, but actually co-founded by Angie d’Urso, me and 2 other people.
    Levis came after a while and started to give "commands"

    – The SF 9/11 convention was organized by the talented Carol Brouillet, who got sabotaged by fake truth speakers like you and co.

    – The Toronto 9/11 convention was based on the idea of Chussodowski + Co.
    Later 911truth.org supported John Grey as one of their sponsors and covered it up..

    the list of events, where 911truth.org jumped on the bandwagon is for sure longer, but i leave it like that for now...

  • 27 August 2005, 17:58

    hmmmm another jew(levis) who is a agent provacateur....
    trying to bury the truth with more BS

    Kinda like the jewess Orkin going around with jimmy to europe, and being nothing more then a mouth piece for the debunkers side.

    thanks NICO for your efforts at getting aat the truth. You know you are doing a great job, when useless paid fucks like Levis and Orkin get in a tizzy over your efforts. keep up the great work
    machiavelli

  • 30 August 2005, 00:47

    Today forwarded to David Kubiak, head of 911truth.org, CCed to 25 other popular 9/11 researchers, -authors and/or -activists:

    David Kubiak,

    it’s time to finally speak out and please don’t send
    your backers to do the dirty work for you.

    There is some serious background information about
    911truth.org and now you have the opportunity to speak
    out in front of other popular 9/11 researchers,
    – authors and -activists.
    Your final answers will be mirrored here:
    http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7803

    Please keep in mind, that 911truth.org member Nic
    Levis aka Jack Riddler didn’t respond on any of these
    informations yet and only tried to distract with
    logistical issues of your so called "9/11 truth
    protest march" and instead stated, that i fabricated
    facts.

    So let’s go through these facts step by step by
    answering the following questions:

    1) Are you still in touch with Russ George, who
    presented seminars at U.S. Secretary of the Navy, NASA
    Space Power Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory,
    The Naval Research Laboratory, Lockheed Martin
    Corporation and other military organisations?

    2) You worked with Professor Dr. Y.C. Zhang at the
    Tsinghua University.
    Are you aware, that this University received donations
    by the James Baker Institute and their Micro-Nuclear
    Technology research?

    3) Can you explain in one sentence, why this "cold
    fusion" research is from any pratical use and how can
    you assure an independent research, not abused by any
    military influence?

    4) Have you ever been in touch with japanese
    intelligence or -intelligence contractors or US
    intelligence or -intelligence contractors? What about
    military contractors?

    5) How was 911Citizen’s Watch able to rent space in
    the very same building, when the first meeting of the 911
    Commission took place?
    Did the connection of some 9/11 family members help
    and if so, who was it?

    Did the connection of Guy Vantresca (ex-NSA) help?
    Is Guy Vantresca still in touch with 911truth.org?

    (In case you wanna refer to Kyle Hence to answer this,
    it’s your choice, though Hence is still connected with
    911truth.org via registration and public events)

    6)
    Can you explain, why the "support" of the following
    persons who signed your ’truth petition’, are helpful
    for 911truth.org and the 9/11 truth movement?:

    Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D.-a member of the ultra-hawkish
    neocon think tank, Committee on the Present Danger,
    whose honorary chair is George Shultz (Bechtel).

    Jim Garrison, Ph.D.-founder of the State of the World
    Forum with Mikhail Gorbachev and co-founder with
    Jesuit Daniel Sheehan of the Christic Institute, which
    was widely suspected of deliberately bungling and
    wrecking Iran-Contra investigations in the 1980s.

    John Gray, Ph.D., -associated with weapon dealer Adnan
    Khashoggi

    Daniel Ellsberg, ex-RAND Corporation employee, who’s
    supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11

    Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, who’s supportive of
    official negligence spin of 9/11

    Melvin Goodman, former Senior Analyst, CIA, who’s
    supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11

    Morton Goulder, Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and
    Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter. New Hampshire
    venture finance tycoon Goulder was the founder of
    defence electronics giant Sanders Associates which was
    acquired by Lockheed/Martin in the 1980s and is now
    known as BAE Systems.

    John Cobb, Ph.D., associated with Club of Rome member
    and former World Bank economist, Herman Daly (Daly has
    also worked with the U.S. Sustainable Population
    Policy Project).

    Paul H. Ray, Ph.D., co-author of a 1974 report from
    Stanford Research Institute together with Willis
    Harman and Duane Elgin (Club of Rome). One of SRI’s
    main funding sources is Bechtel (as in, George
    Shultz’s Bechtel).

    David Korten, joined the new generation of Club of
    Rome.

    7)
    Why did you stop supporting former 9/11 Truth
    presidential candidate John Buchanan, after he was
    allegedly arrested by Secret Service?

    8)
    Can you confirm, that you cancelled one speech from
    Lauren Moyet at the DC "truth"-emergency conference
    and if so, why?

    9)
    Why do you think, it’s productive to let a 9/11 victim
    speak at the anniversary march, who actually supports
    the official story?
    Donna Marsh O’Connor, Mother of Vanessa Lang Langer.

    10)
    Do you believe that the current policy of 911truth.org
    can stop fascism and a worldwar scenario between US,
    Russia and China?

    11)
    Why did you not vote for a protest anniversary march
    to GROUND ZERO?

    12)
    Why are Nafeez Ahmed, Peter Lance and Danny Schecter
    connected with 911truth.org, who actually support the
    official story of 9/11?

    13)
    What is your personal view of controlled demolition of
    WTC 1, 2, 7 and the missing or contradictory BTS
    records of the official flights on 9/11?

    14)
    What’s your take on democracyNow!, ANSWER, United for
    Peace and MoveOn.org, who are blocking the truth about
    9/11?
    Why isn’t there a protest march against them, too?

    15)
    Why did 911truth.org support John Kerry, having been
    aware of rigged e-voting machines and his past at
    Skull+Bones?

    16)
    Why did 911truth.org not look into the suspicious
    background of the 7/7 london attacks?

    17)
    Why did you write on 911truth.org, that "the next few
    months will decide what, if any, September 11th truth
    will ever be revealed for many years to come"?

    18)
    Why did 911truth.org allow, that David Ray Griffin
    wasn’t allowed to speak at the public Mckinney
    hearings?
    What about Morgan Reynolds? Why wasn’t he invited into
    the panel? Who took the decision for Paul Thompson,
    who did not publicly speak out yet, that 9/11 was an
    Inside Job?

    19)
    Why do you allow a recently refreshed LIHOP/MIHOP diversion by Nic Levis,
    who believes, that these labels can coexist with each
    other?

    20)
    What’s the purpose of letting Ray McGovern (ex-CIA)
    speak at public 911truth.org events, who did not
    publicly speak out yet, that 9/11 was an Inside Job?

    21)
    Who is payrolling David Kubiak, Nic Levis and
    911truth.org?
    What’s your both regular jobs?

  • 4 September 2005, 01:43

    I’ve been waiting for soooo long for one of you morons to finally call me out as a Jew based on my name.

    I’m not, but I really appreciate this exceptional case of your exposing yourself as a total jackass.

    Nicholas Levis

• 3 September 2005, 06:19

  Kyle Hence + David Kubiak gatekeep the Naudet video flash frame

  John Judge gatekeeps the Pentagon Video Frames (JJ produced a mind-numbing 149-page critique of the 567-page 9/11 Commission Report, which omitted the govt’s own evidence, and JJ, too, failed to mention it/them!!!)

  Paul Thompson traces 9/11 back to al-Queda and Osama. He also calls Bush’s 9/11 witness stmts "impossible", w/o any proof

  Michael Rivero calls Bush’s 9/11 witness stmts "lies", w/o any proof

  Sander Hicks joins in praising Agent Robinowitz’s "sixth sense" for disinfo sites

  This gang (with others) all link to each other, and oilempire, to whom the job of smearing less-limited truth sites has been outsourced.

  If the government suppressed/censored 911 truth sites, there would be an outcry.

  But when the suppression/censorship of 911 truth sites is handled by gatekeepers who claim to be leading the 9/11 truth movement, where is the outcry?

  • 4 September 2005, 06:04

    Nico,

    Am currently traveling in India and have been rather gratefully
    out of touch with the doings of the Empire and the 24/7 rattle of
    manufactured news, propaganda and internet tirades. Occasionally
    do stop in a sweltering cybercafe to check the email spew and find
    you have been busy disgracing thyself again with astonishingly
    goofy smear attacks.

    Let me begin by stating that since your first year or two of
    rather admirable work, I have watched you devolve into an
    increasingly credulous twit – always earnest, often adorable, but
    a twit nonetheless. I see from the screeching interrogation below,
    however, that you now aspire to the ranks of Torquemada,
    Robespierre and the House Un-American Activities Committee.

    I guess it was inevitable that as the 9/11 movement widened we
    would develop our own fundamentalist fringe who would happily
    crucify anyone who did not share their brittle dogma and
    effectively splinter us from within. "Don’t believe in holograms,
    pods, Pentagon missiles, America’s Manifest Destiny, papal
    infallibility or the Virgin Birth? Would you prefer the rack, the
    garrote or a good old fashioned ’guilt by tertiary association’
    assassination smear?"

    In earlier US movements these radical purist provocateurs were
    often well paid mercenaries, and many Pinkerton and cointelpro
    agents, for example, got quite decent dental plans. I know you
    well enough to realize you are not working for "them" in this
    regard, but think if you started handing out your recent resume
    you might find some surprisingly appreciative recognition and
    compensation thrown your way.

    In any event, Nick Levis was wise and right to ignore you since
    there is real work going on, but I have a little time on my hands
    right now, so will humor your Monty Python reprise of the Grand
    Inquisitor’s stance.

    First off, I should clearly say that I am not writing on behalf of
    911truth.org or any members thereof. These are all quite personal
    reflections on the pathetic internecine war now going on, and why
    if Rove is not paying you now, he’s a bungling ingrate of the
    first order.

    Regarding 911truth.org, however, there are a few things I can say.
    One is that we chose quite consciously and early on, that capital
    punishment for treason was quite sufficient justice for our cause.
    LIHOP was treason, MIHOP was treason, so we really didn’t care if
    we hung the bastards with a six or twelve foot rope as long as all
    the relevant feet twitched in the air.

    All that concerned us was building the case, outrage and public
    support necessary to achieve this task. Unmasking the fraud of
    9/11 was not only critical to halting fascist consolidation and
    the accelerating war machine, it also stripped bare the malignant
    roots of the entire corporate coup d’état. In other words, it
    offered a teachable moment to awaken the fat, dumb and hapless
    populace to the scale of bipartisan perfidy and corruption now
    running the spectacle we see.

    The peculiar virtue of the current crowd was their overt corporate
    codependence, documented aspirations for full spectrum dominance,
    total reliance on fear-driven obedience, and obvious ruthlessness
    toward anyone or thing that dared stand in their way. Exposing and
    hanging them would not simply gratify the thirst for justice, it
    could educate an entire generation to the murderous corruption
    that has usurped our democracy since Kennedy’s death and now is
    nearing global control.

    That is the real issue at hand, not the posturing of a
    half-retarded, fully scripted Howdy Doody dolt like Bush, not even
    the bloody conquest of a few oil-rich lands, and certainly not
    your stupid and self-righteous litmus tests about which 9/11
    scenarios are canonical and which are not.

    9/11 was just another means to the long sought end of monotonic
    economic dominance of every inch of earthly life. It has succeeded
    thus far, and will continue to as long as you insist on turning
    the issue into dogmatic religious cult. September 11 was not just
    a cold-blooded overreach, it was critical instrument of global
    dominion, greed and war. We can only redeem and reverse its
    meaning by reverently exploiting it to wake the world. This is a
    painful purging process and demands more sustained courage and
    effort from the American public than we have ever witnessed
    before. We have seen such popular heroism recently in the
    Philippines, Chiapas and Eastern Europe so we know it is humanly
    possible, but we also know that fear, ignorance and disinformation
    here are more powerful than ever too.

    We in the movement all know how central 9/11 now is to maintaining
    fear, centralizing control and terminating democracy, and that is
    why so many of us virtually destroyed our lives to see this
    education, discovery and contagious awakening process through.
    That is why it is so inexpressibly annoying to have to deal with
    ankle-biters like thee who are far more concerned with 9/11’s
    tactical trivia than world engulfing holocaust those murders put
    in play.

    In any event, if only for the benefit of your extensive cc list,
    quite a number of whom I do respect, let us now repair to the
    thumbscrew room where I shall gladly give you all the facts you
    seek (plus a few editorial ejaculations regarding the quality of
    your work).

    You wrote:

    David Kubiak,

    it’s time to finally speak out and please don’t send
    your backers to do the dirty work for you.

    There is some serious background information about
    911truth.org and now you have the opportunity to
    speak out in front of other popular 9/11 researchers,
    – authors and -activists.
    Your final answers will be mirrored here:
    http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7803

    Please keep in mind, that 911truth.org member Nic
    Levis aka Jack Riddler didn’t respond on any of these
    informations yet and only tried to distract with
    logistical issues of your so called "9/11 truth
    protest march" and instead stated, that i fabricated
    facts.

    So let’s go through these facts step by step by
    answering the following questions:

    1) Are you still in touch with Russ George, who
    presented seminars at U.S. Secretary of the Navy, NASA
    Space Power Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory,
    The Naval Research Laboratory, Lockheed Martin
    Corporation and other military organizations?

    Answer) I am not only still in touch with him, I am working with
    him to make two projects happen that would help end global warming
    and terminate the rule of energy corporations and dependence on
    fossil fuel. All this activity is documented in some detail at
    http://planktosinc.com and http://d2fusion.com.

    Russ’s unpaid lectures to the above organizations were about his
    cold fusion work and essentially warned them that this new
    phenomenon would not only change the world of physics, it would
    unrecognizably alter their political, economic and security
    environments as well. He was rarely if ever invited back.

    Interogatee Editorial Observation (IEO): You are a twit.

    2) You worked with Professor Dr. Y.C. Zhang at the
    Tsinghua University.
    Are you aware, that this University received donations
    by the James Baker Institute and their Micro-Nuclear
    Technology research?

    A) I knew, assisted and still greatly admire Dr. Zhang at Osaka
    University where she was doing all the instrument engineering and
    experimental design for Dr. Yoshiaka Arata, Japan’s foremost hot
    fusion physicist who had gone rogue and was then doing cutting
    edge research in cold fusion at the time. I helped them with their
    English correspondence, journal report editing, and getting their
    work replicated in foreign labs.

    And are you really not aware, Nico, that virtually every major
    university on the planet has received questionable funding from
    some very unsavory hands at some point in time?

    IEO: You are a dolt.

    3) Can you explain in one sentence, why this "cold
    fusion" research is from any pratical use and how can
    you assure an independent research, not abused by any
    military influence?

    A) By 2010 cold fusion reactors the size of dishwasher will offer
    every household in the industrial world a clean, cheap and totally
    decentralized source of heating and electrical power. Larger
    community facilities will electrolyze water into oxygen and
    hydrogen offering pollutionless vehicular fuel, and can also be
    used to cheaply power recycling facilities, public transport
    systems and seawater desalinization plants. This breakthrough will
    not only end our foreign fossil fuel dependence and forestall the
    imminent water crisis, it will shatter the economic and political
    power of our dominant energy corporations, and return an
    extraordinary measure of autonomy to communities around the
    world.

    I can’t guarantee the military won’t try to abuse it anymore than
    I can assure you they won’t try to abuse the power of the
    computer, internal combustion or the washing machine.

    IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language
    and research disserve us all.

    4) Have you ever been in touch with japanese
    intelligence or -intelligence contractors or US
    intelligence or -intelligence contractors? What about
    military contractors?

    No.

    IEO: You are a twit.

    5) How was 911Citizen’s Watch able to rent space in
    the
    very same building, when the first meeting of the 911
    Commission took place?
    Did the connection of some 9/11 family members help
    and if so, who was it?

    A) They cunningly looked in the phone book, called up the building
    rental office, and rented the room just as you or anyone with
    $1200 could have done that day.

    Did the connection of Guy Vantresca (ex-NSA) help?
    Is Guy Vantresca still in touch with 911truth.org?

    A) Guy has never "been in touch with" or had anything to do with
    911truth.org (although he did help me buy a computer cable once).

    (In case you wanna refer to Kyle Hence to answer this,
    it’s your choice, though Hence is still connected with
    911truth.org via registration and public events)

    A) Kyle remains an important ancestral spirit of 911truth.org, and
    through his C-SPAN work, web networking, and impeccable event
    organizing has done more to open up the public mind to 9/11
    skepticism than you will ever comprehend.

    IEO: You are a dolt.

    6)
    Can you explain, why the "support" of the following
    persons who signed your ’truth petition’, are helpful
    for 911truth.org and the 9/11 truth movement?:

    Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D.-a member of the ultra-hawkish
    neocon think tank, Committee on the Present Danger,
    whose honorary chair is George Shultz (Bechtel).
    Jim Garrison, Ph.D.-founder of the State of the World
    Forum with Mikhail Gorbachev and co-founder with
    Jesuit Daniel Sheehan of the Christic Institute, which
    was widely suspected of deliberately bungling and
    wrecking Iran-Contra investigations in the 1980s.

    John Gray, Ph.D., -associated with weapon dealer Adnan
    Khashoggi

    Daniel Ellsberg, ex-RAND Corporation employee, who’s
    supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11

    Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, who’s supportive of
    official negligence spin of 9/11

    Melvin Goodman, former Senior Analyst, CIA, who’s
    supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11

    Morton Goulder, Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and
    Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter. New Hampshire
    venture finance tycoon Goulder was the founder of
    defence electronics giant Sanders Associates which was
    acquired by Lockheed/Martin in the 1980s and is now
    known as BAE Systems.

    John Cobb, Ph.D., associated with Club of Rome member
    and former World Bank economist, Herman Daly (Daly has
    also worked with the U.S. Sustainable Population
    Policy Project).

    Paul H. Ray, Ph.D., co-author of a 1974 report from
    Stanford Research Institute together with Willis
    Harman and Duane Elgin (Club of Rome). One of SRI’s
    main funding sources is Bechtel (as in, George
    Shultz’s Bechtel).

    David Korten, joined the new generation of Club of
    Rome.

    A) The 9/11 Truth Statement was a call for a new criminal
    investigation that outlined a list of dramatic indications that
    the official story was a pack of lies and government foreknowledge
    and complicity were quite apparently involved.

    We then threw it out to a suprapartisan audience of non-movement
    figures who had nothing personal to gain from publicizing this
    demand. We were just trying to demonstrate that 9/11 skepticism
    had escaped the sweaty basements of usual suspect paranoia and
    pave the way for ordinary people from every political and
    religious persuasion to feel safer expressing their doubts and
    seconding the independent criminal inquiry demand.

    We didn’t give a damn who signed really as long as they believed
    the official story was a fraud and were respected by a sizable
    constituency whom 9/11 activists had no normal recourse to and we
    could thus hope to finally reach.

    IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose lazy and ignorant free
    association witch-hunts disserve us all.

  • 4 September 2005, 06:05

    (ed: PT.2)

    7)
    Why did you stop supporting former 9/11 Truth
    presidential candidate John Buchanan, after he was
    allegedly arrested by Secret Service?

    I was John Buchanan’s campaign manager during his NH GOP primary
    bid in 2004, bailed him out of jail in Florida, and sheltered him
    at my home for several months after he was "allegedly arrested by
    the Secret Service." When I’m home we talk on the phone at least
    twice a week and we remain close friends to this day.

    IEO: You are a twit.

    8)
    Can you confirm, that you cancelled one speech from
    Lauren Moyet at the DC "truth"-emergency conference
    and if so, why?

    A) No, I can’t because I didn’t. Leuren was invited to lead off a
    Sunday "Lethal Deceit" workshop on depleted uranium and to brief
    the afternoon plenary on the state of the DU truth movement today,
    both of which she did quite admirably. She was also our security
    backup for the Lafayette Park event in case Sunny Miller, whom we
    had originally consulted regarding DU and veteran issues, could
    not come.

    IEO: You are a dolt.

    9)
    Why do you think, it’s productive to let a 9/11 victim
    speak at the anniversary march, who actually supports
    the official story?
    Donna Marsh O’Connor, Mother of Vanessa Lang Langer.

    A) Why do you think - when you can’t even read the internet
    correctly, you can read a person’s heart? And why in hell would
    you ever think that Donna Marsh O’Connor is a dupe or government
    apologist? Just because she doesn’t gush support for whatever
    dingbat theory you’re pushing as flavor of the month? Have you
    ever read her writings or noticed the passion and precision with
    which she skewers the whole neocon cabal? Unlike your nerdy tech
    obsessed approach to 9/11, she clearly comprehends the Big Picture
    of what went down and the strategy in play. To call her an
    official story supporter is an unimaginably imbecilic thing to
    say.

    IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language
    and research disserve us all.

    10)
    Do you believe that the current policy of 911truth.org
    can stop fascism and a worldwar scenario between US,
    Russia and China?

    I seriously doubt whether any current group’s policy will
    forestall future wars, cure cancer or stop the locusts eating
    Senegal. I do believe, however, that opening more and more
    surprising windows on the workings of the corporate coup could
    rouse enough old-fashioned patriotism to overthrow this fascist
    crew. Despite often being labeled a lefty Green myself, I somehow
    feel we’re going to get most of our help in this effort from
    totally apolitical mothers and the Libertarian right. The current
    left just seems riddled with too many dogmatic ego freaks like
    your eminently divisive self who are less concerned about the
    action or result than where they stand in line.

    IEO: You are a twit.

    11)
    Why did you not vote for a protest anniversary march
    to GROUND ZERO?

    A) GZ is certainly a great crime scene and a vital place to teach
    some facts, but it is also a truly sacred public tomb.

    We have been asked repeatedly by victim families - many of whom
    support our cause - to keep it peaceful, private and holy on just
    that single day. I would wish to honor that sentiment, especially
    since silent grief and questioning, even the simple repetition of
    "Why?" can often lead people quite intuitively past denial and
    propaganda to quite deep perceptions of the truth.

    Besides I just don’t see how another march could do anything new
    or powerful or even useful at Ground Zero on that day. It could
    open new fronts, however, if it took our outrage straight to the
    stupefaction sustaining media and to the United Nations press
    corps whose members may not know the full script yet but certainly
    see some bloody writing on the wall.

    IEO: You are a dolt.

    12)
    Why are Nafeez Ahmed, Peter Lance and Danny Schecter
    connected with 911truth.org, who actually support the
    official story of 9/11?

    A) You are obviously operating in some parallel semantic universe
    if you can uniformly label these guys as "official story
    supporters" with a straight face. Just what is the Inquisition’s
    current definition of "official story" these days? And if these
    fellows were supporting it, why would they be shouting for a brand
    new inquiry? The Kean/Zelikow Commission supported the official
    story to the max, so if that was these men’s intent they should
    have shut up a year ago.

    IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language
    and research disserve us all.

    13)
    What is your personal view of controlled demolition of
    WTC 1, 2, 7 and the missing or contradictory BTS
    records of the official flights on 9/11?

    A) My personal view is that the physical case for demolition is
    virtually undeniable, especially with Building 7, but the
    proponents of this view have been excruciatingly lazy and/or
    unimaginative in following up on its implications.

    If the conclusion that science and logic lead them to is true, the
    questions then quickly become the highly researchable issues of
    who, when and how. Simply hollering "demolition" over and over in
    greater detail does not advance our case an inch. Where are the
    researchers willing to get off their computers and go out and
    solve this thing? There must be a thousand supportive details and
    witness recollections lurking out there in the streets, but most
    of our crowd is Google delimited, so we’re going nowhere on this
    front. The BTS questions are too conflicted and confusing at this
    time with too many family members - some whom I trust - saying
    they watched the planes take off.

    IEO: You are a twit.

    14)
    What’s your take on democracyNow!, ANSWER, United for
    Peace and MoveOn.org, who are blocking the truth about
    9/11?
    Why isn’t there a protest march against them, too?

    A) Regarding 9/11 and the real war we face, I think they are all
    myopic, weak and pathetic, but for four different reasons which I
    don’t have time here to explicate. When we finally turn the corner
    though, a few or all will finally join our side, unlike the
    mainstream leviathans which are structurally committed to the
    corporate coup. In fact some key players in these groups are
    already on our side, but continue to keep their silent distance
    because of the dingbat faction wars in our midst.

    I don’t generally believe in unity at any cost, but pretty damn
    soon all 9/11 activists who want to have a real effect are going
    to have to come together and find some basic grounds on which we
    can agree. As mentioned earlier, as long as that position
    recognizes treason - MIHOPish or LIHOPesque, demands a fully
    empowered inquiry, and reveals the lethal corruption of the coup
    at sufficient depth and breadth, I’m on board.

    In other words, I really, really don’t care what kind of hardware
    hit what target, who was driving or what opportunistic bells &
    whistles were added on. In my mind, they are all relatively
    trivial technical details well downstream from the real crime
    which was the top level literal conspiracy to a) let it come or b)
    bring it on.

    IEO: You are a dolt.

    15)
    Why did 911truth.org support John Kerry, having been
    aware of rigged e-voting machines and his past at
    Skull+Bones?

    A) I may be having a senior moment, but can’t for the life of me
    remember us ever endorsing the Kerry ticket. He never offered more
    than a kinder, gentler rape & pillage imperialism, was death on
    9/11 truth, and served the corporate oligarchy like a wholly owned
    obedient son.

    IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly research
    disserves us all.

    16)
    Why did 911truth.org not look into the suspicious
    background of the 7/7 london attacks?

    A) Because we are stretched so damn thin attending to America’s
    coup and destruction that explosive sideshows in London, Saudi
    Arabia, Pakistan, etc. are well beyond our current competence and
    ken.

    IEO: You are a twit.

    17)
    Why did you write on 911truth.org, that "the next few
    months will decide what, if any, September 11th truth
    will ever be revealed for many years to come"?

    I wrote that in the see/hear/report-no-official-evil wake of the
    9/11 Commission hearings, predicting that if we the people did not
    start to stir up some fierce demand for real truth, the 2004
    political spectacle would enshrine the Kean/Zelikow mythology as
    official reality for a long, long time. It was offered in
    exhortative mode, not in resignation, and introduced the Summer of
    Truth concept which thanks to the work of scores of people
    generated a lot of inspiring events and earned a widely gratifying
    response. In fact, I remember a lot of important NY contributions
    in this period from Kyle, Nick, Cynthia McKinney, Sibel Edmonds,
    John Judge, Indira Singh, Jenna Orkin, Les Jamieson, Sander Hicks,
    Lennie Charles, Jimmy Walter, Alan Duncan, Bob McIlvaine, Jim
    Ridgeway, most of our 911truth.org crew and many, many more, but I
    can’t recall a single bit of useful help at any point from you.

    IEO: You are a dolt.

    18)
    Why did 911truth.org allow, that David Ray Griffin
    wasn’t allowed to speak at the public Mckinney
    hearings?
    What about Morgan Reynolds? Why wasn’t he invited into
    the panel? Who took the decision for Paul Thompson,
    who did not publicly speak out yet, that 9/11 was an
    Inside Job?

    A) Will have to answer this one somewhat intuitively because
    sometimes the logic and meaning of your charges get pretty dim,
    especially since we didn’t have anything to do with Cynthia’s
    event except helping persuade Mindy and Lorie to appear and
    finally speak their mind.

    In any case, Griffin was not invited to McKinney’s event because
    she was starting off her 9/11 resurrection in softball mode to
    coax other congressional sponsors on board. He is scheduled to
    speak at her all day Congressional Black Caucus 9/11 briefing in
    September though, when she will let loose with the bigger guns.
    Not sure about Reynolds situation. You should probably ask him.
    Cynthia knew and trusted Thompson from before, and he had already
    earned his own breakthroughs with Regan Books, Air America, etc.
    If you can read through Paul’s meticulous timelines and not
    understand what he is doing and how infinitely more powerful it is
    than your scream, shout and slander approach to turning public
    consciousness around, then we seem to be involved in very
    different enterprises.

    IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly logic, language
    and research disserve us all.

    19)
    Why do you allow a LIHOP/MIHOP diversion by Nic Levis,
    who believes, that these labels can coexist with each
    other?

    A) Because they can and do co-exist, sometimes in the very same
    people (e.g., the Big Wedding crowd who believes that "we" knew
    when and where "they" were coming with such precision, "we"
    decided to graft on some bells & whistles of our own, like
    building demolitions, planted personal effects, etc.) The
    overriding point that I feel obliged to keep belaboring is that
    both are equally TREASONOUS!

    We could prove LIHOP to a fair minded grand jury now. Winning a
    neocon focused MIHOP indictment with the evidence now at hand is
    exceedingly dubious. If both paths would gain us a capital crime
    proceeding with full subpoena and discovery powers, why choose the
    most problematic way in?

    This is where you really lose me, Nico, since it seems you care
    far more that your half-baked theories are venerated than that
    justice might finally be done. It’s not good enough to hang the
    bastards and expose the whole rotten establishment, they have to
    be hung with your own autographed rope. Otherwise you will not
    lift a finger to help and indeed spend most of your time attacking
    the prosecutor for inadequate shrieking zealotry.

    IEO: You are a twit.

    20)
    What’s the purpose of letting Ray McGovern (ex-CIA)
    speak at public 911truth.org events, who did not
    publicly speak out yet, that 9/11 was an Inside Job?

    A) Ah, this gets truly tiresome, bro, but let’s just try this one
    more time. The purpose of 911truth.org events is not to toe your
    highly idiosyncratic ideological purity line, it is to draw new
    minds, resources and energy into the anti-corporate fascist fray.
    Some approach that task in different ways depending on their
    passion, knowledge and expertise. McGovern brings us a lot of all
    three and has also read both of Griffin’s books and reveres him
    deeply. When or where he will announce his own interpretation of
    events is entirely up to him, but given all that he has sacrificed
    and the beating he has taken to expose the murderous hypocrisy of
    this government, I feel that he has earned our trust and he sure
    as hell has mine.

    Those of us who had nothing to lose by following this path often
    forget the complex equations others face when they try to maximize
    their impact on this issue by maintaining some decent level of
    credibility.

    IEO: You are a dolt.

    21)
    Who is payrolling David Kubiak, Nic Levis and
    911truth.org?
    What’s your both regular jobs?

    A) Well, Nick and I and several others are supposed to be
    payrolled by 911truth.org but that sweet fiction sort of burned
    out last September when we poured all our meager resources into
    project work instead of feeding the staff and our online
    fundraising never raised more than $4 5 hundred per month. So am
    approximately 7 months behind in rent to my mother no less, though
    I now draw a small contingent salary from planktosinc.com which
    got me over to India to look into some carbon forest restoration
    work. Nick can speak for himself, but as far as I know his last
    real paycheck was for organizing Jimmy Walter’s NY gig last fall
    and believe he now does odd-job translations and lives from hand
    to mouth.

    911truth.org itself has only survived thanks to the volunteer
    passion of its few remaining "staff." Its project events, like the
    DC Truth Convergence, were entirely funded – to the tune of $24
    thou and change – with the help of the 60% of attendees who
    actually paid for their rooms and registration and a few big
    private benefactors including a couple doctors from NY and NJ and
    a couple of entrepreneurial truth advocates from California. We
    are currently looking for some professional fundraising help (20%
    mercenaries will do), because this is where we clearly suck.

    IEO: You are a petulant egomaniac whose lack of vision, humor and
    generosity really truly disserves us all (and must make life
    pretty deathly grim for you, too).

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    OK, Robespierre, time’s up. Allow me to re-insert my fingernails
    and bid you fond adieu. Any further questions will be gladly
    answered same time, same place, next year.

    Meantime would recommend you study Uncle Karl Rove’s "Master
    Course in Character Attack" if you really want to improve your

    skills. Trying to smear someone by linking them to someone else
    who once gave a speech or took a leak in the Pentagon is a pretty
    amateur approach. You should have gone after my mother who was
    scanning maps in the DC War Department from ’44 to ’45. Since I
    was in fetal residence for half that time, that’s some mud that
    could really stick.

    Yours since the womb in the war machine,
    W. David K-

    PS: Sorry for the repetitive IEOs but you are a pretty monotonous
    twit.

  • 7 September 2005, 01:28

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    David,

    good to see you in India.
    I hope, you’re doing less trouble over there,
    but i doubt that.

    I guess, i had much luck, that i received an answer
    after "only 4 days", especially since you had Spamarrest on me,
    which i didn’t disable for you.

    You gave me 3 waiting days, i give you 3 waiting days.

    Before i come to my reply to your answers, let me just
    distract with a short take on Ken Jenkins.

    I believe, Ken won his "psychology degree" (according to his bio) in the lottery.

    Otherwise he would realise, what’s really
    going on in your charade,
    Instead Jenkins decided to participate in a simple character
    assassination.

    What else is to expect from hiding Ken Jenkins, who after all
    filmed a lot of the con artists from 911truth.org?

    I thought , a cameraman is more loyal to his working
    skills than his content, but apparently he also
    feels comfortable in a suspicious crowd, which is selling out and
    betraying our constitution, while the globalist warmongers wargaming WorldWar 3 (4).

    Back to peacenik and ’green’ tool Kubiak.

    I decided to answer on specific points only, after i
    analysed your answer, which once again proved
    how much you inspired your puppet darling Nic Levis.
    The same pamphletic and pathetic slimeball slang of an inapproachable
    ’nobleman’, who is basically never around to
    take responsibility anyway.

    In two years 911truth.org i barely didn’t see you
    showing up at any of your diversion events, even
    not at your baby truthemergency.us, where you
    officially had some ’teeth problems’, according to
    Gabriel Day.

    I’m glad that you feel better again and was able to
    make some money to suddenly escape from the 9/11 anniversary,
    the "doings of the Empire" and "internet tirades".

    Of course, YOU had been too careful to get involved in
    these ’tirades’ until now and what the "doings of the
    Empire" depends.
    Are you speaking of this US Government or
    911untruth.org?

    The timing is interesting.
    You not only escaped from the 9/11 anniversary, you
    also try to save the world again,
    this time from "global warming".
    Did you also have some prior knowledge on Katrina and escaped from it in time
    or did your military unpaid buddy Russ George
    tell you how to profit from the latest fascist scare
    in New Orleans?

    An IP trace showed me, that you apparently might have
    been in Maharashtra (in case you didn’t spoof it.)
    Isn’t that India’s "New Orleans", which drainage
    system is in a big mess? I understand, they taxed carbon.

    Isn’t Maharashtra also home for many british military bases
    and airfields in the area?

    Are you checking your emails from Reliance Infocomm,
    connected with Rajendar Singh?

    That’s what one proxy says.

    There are many Rajendar Singhs in India.

    Entering Bizarro World:
    Here’s some small essay, even if it’s not connected with you
    and your noble "environmental work" over there, in India -the US’ new military buddy:

    Another Rajendar Singh you must know, even if not personally,
    in case you’re really into this, is from Tarun Bharat Sangh (TBS)
    http://www.tarunbharatsangh.org/tjv/academiccouncil.htm

    He’s actually into "some carbon forest restoration", apparently very popular over there.

    It would be fascinating to add these "Singhs" into Kubiak Disney World, but maybe i have no luck on that.

    Let’s count. Indira Singh, the fake whistleblower from
    Ruppert’s Ptech fantasies.
    Now this Rajendar Singh hooked up also with some Katar Singh.
    I guess, it must be a popular name in India.

    Do they work this time in an indian NGO institute, which is
    sponsored by Boeing and Lockheed?

    Well, i think i don’t have that luck. And after all, it would be just like taking a leek into Pentagon.
    How often did John Judge take a leek in the Pentagon? According to his own stories, very often.
    But he’s a noble peaceman who has some valuable pentagon witnesses in his crowd.

    Well, whatever, these indian carbon eco folks from Tarun Bharat Sangh are supported by the
    Gandhi Peace Foundation (Anupam Mishra).
    Wow, that’s like you, your holy fight without any civil disobedience, handing out some leaflets at the corner??

    Are these not the same folks, who also teamed up with the
    Tibetan Youth Congress, once inflitrated by CIA-buddy Shri
    Lhasang Tsering, who led a Tibetan guerilla force
    against the Chinese?

    Let’s see, this other Rajender Singh was member of Ministry of
    Education, Govt. of India, between 1982 to 1984. Might explain it. He just switched the leeking spots.
    From CONSERVATIVE to GREEN.

    You have some cool supporters in your case of "some carbon forest restoration",
    like you always had, David.

    Wolves hiding behind an apparent "noble case":
    Rachel Ehrenfeld, Jim Garrison, Morton Goulder. I’m so impressed.

    http://www.tarunbharatsangh.org/about/rs.htm

    However, this Singh decided to do something different and called it "activist work" against
    the mining within the forest area, to "protect forests
    and wild life" and helped shutting down 470 mines.
    http://www.tarunbharatsangh.org/about/rs.htm

    Wow, what a fukin noble cover of your fellows for the
    1,700-kilometer trans-India pipeline, which was
    suddenly being built through the very same areas.

    Hey don’t forget to answer in one year, that another Rajendar Singh was also
    Officer of the Indian Air Force in WW2.
    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Roll/rollww2o.html

    Of course, in case that this was really his father,
    leeking on an indian plane or in the indian pentagon is
    nothing to worry about. I agree with you.

    ....yeah, the world of singhs (better Sing Sings) and must be nice-eco activists, especially into carbon forest restoration, is big.

    End of Essay about some noble eco activists in India, possibly not connected with the ’noble’ case of Kubiak.

    I love the way how you’re playing the noble "eco"
    activist and 9/11"truth" ’activist’ at the same time and
    you’re even funny enough to compare me with Maximilien
    Robespierre and Karl Rove (wtf has Rove to do with 9/11??).

    This must be a new gatekeeper satire, i didn’t get
    yet:
    "...if Rove is not paying you now, he’s a bungling
    ingrate of the first order..." (??)

    I think, Karl Rove is the least important person in this government and was carefully designed for most important gatekeeper distractions.

    Let’s start thinking about the comparison with
    Robespierre.
    He was actually ruler of France, but what do i rule?
    I gave up basically my main projects in January 2005 and run even less than a bed room,
    which isn’t even mine.

    Now what kind of ’dark intrigues’ do i plan? I never
    secretly spoke about 911truth.org.
    I also don’t wish you the guilotine. I hope, you will
    rotten in TheHague,
    hopefully next to some neocons and CIA assets Amy
    Goodman and her "key persons" and Judith Miller.
    Then you can debate about fake oppositions again.

    My criticism on 911truth.org was well known during 2004 on my blog at
    911skeptics.blogspot.com.

    Then one day, all for a sudden my research, until then not
    really criticized by your folks, had been belittled as "erratic" (Ruppert) and
    suddenly i woke up in ’podland’, according to Levis,
    just because i gave Phil Jayhan some notes , like i
    did with 30-50 other 9/11 truth projects and -
    websites every week on my blog.

    That later gave you guys the right to abuse another group of
    8-10 unconnected researcher to put them in your
    relaunched MC CARTHY show against "holofreaks" and
    "missile nutcases".

    What’s really going on in your brain?

    Character assassination started from you guys, not the
    other way round. And that wasn’t just 2004!

    In 2002, Levis told me to learn to express myself
    better in english. The irony is, that he’s
    german-english translator.

    Neither Hence or Levis ever offered me to revise my
    9/11 truth encyclopedia and when i was broke, they
    also didn’t care, how i get some $400
    for a self-published book.
    The book never came out, i released it for free on the internet after some underpromoted
    donation buttons didn’t work out.

    Instead Hence harrassed me already early 2002
    to stop my own timeline (which i started in late 2001) and started to promote "Paul
    Thompson" (not his real name). I was so nice and introduced him then at democraticunderground.com

    Actually i was happy for that, because 9/11-timelining
    everything is exactly what i described as YELLOW
    PAGES effect.
    There is some truth in it, but if it’s alphabetically
    or chronologically, how to find this truth???

    Was that the real purpose of Paul Thompson’s Timeline?

    To divert from simple timelines by putting everything
    and everyday into the book?
    Don’t even think, i didn’t figure out, why this
    project was supported. It helped building the
    negligence and limited hangout effect. A tree within the forrest.
    That’s what Thompson’s timeline is about. Helpful research too though.

    In 2003, Hence told me, that a TV show about 9/11
    truth would make no sense and does "not reach middle
    america".
    Actually we had a weekly TV show on NY Public Access
    called "ShadowGovernment TV" and it had some 9/11
    truth guests in it.
    Not good enough for Hence.

    In 2004, i worked then for a DAILY Satellite TV show
    at INN World Report, upgrading their stuff with
    intense 9/11 reports.
    Still not good enough for Kubiak and his wannabee
    truth folks.

    Instead, Hence is bribing us with his lousy 9/11
    commission reports from DC, while we’re only insisted on getting some b-role
    of him to provide with our own comments.

    INN Report wasn’t good enough for Kubiak and Co.
    We brought David Ray Griffin and btw. also Ed Asner worldwide on
    TV. Same to Michael Meacher.
    Still not good enough for Kubiak. Still it didn’t
    matter, that we actually were "willing to get off
    their computers and go
    out and solve this thing".
    On one day Lenny Charles, our producer actually told me, that Mark Rabinowitz told him to fire me.

    Nice "move"-ment.

    Then there was the time, when my group "9/11 Science
    and Justice Alliance" (also co-founded by Jeff
    "Plaguepuppy" King) actually inspired
    David Ray Griffin for his first book. He’s still happy
    when he meets me.
    But Kubiak thinks, we actually were not "willing to
    get off [our] computers and go out and solve this
    thing".

    Then INN World Report increased their reports on
    physical evidence on 9/11 and hey- we even brought
    brandnew footage about WTC 7,
    filmed by my former ex-producer Lenny Charles himself.
    I begged him 3 months to re-edit this stuff.

    That’s how we met Jimmy Walter.
    But still not good enough for Kubiak.
    Instead he’s sending his spy Nic Levis and sabotaged
    our event in the Grand Ballroom,
    which actually was planned about physical evidence
    only, because we were "willing to get off [our]
    computers and go out and solve this thing".

    But Levis thinks, it was more important to invite Karl
    Schwarz, who later had no problem to confess, that he
    almostv received a contract by CIA firm
    IN-Q-Tel.

    No need to worry, Kubiak. You are right. I don’t care,
    if Schwarz peed into the garden of Langley.
    I want some other people actually peeing into his
    living room and send me the photos.

    You seem to prefer to work with spooks to protect your
    noble aura and your noble cause, which is about
    nothing than gatekeeping from the truth.

    Don’t worry about my "paranoia" and look for some better
    key words to belittle me.

    I never really cared if John Judge lived together with
    ex-CIA Ralph McGehee either and left all his books in
    John’s library.
    I don’t care if Hence is reporting back to Jonathan
    Soros or not, i don’t care if Sander Hicks daddy worked in
    the World Bank etc.. etc...

    I care about the dumbness of people who are deceived
    by your manipulative messages, censorship
    attitudes and deceptive strategies of your fake
    activist group, no matter about their spook background anyway.

    I also don’t care if Ray McGovern is ex-CIA, ex- PEE i a,
    or cointel-pro payrolled or just an ignorant prick.

    I told him right in his face, that he’s a coward and asshole,
    because he’s wasting our time since 2 years by
    listening to his crap like "I have a hard time as a
    conspiracy theorist".

    Is that the kind of folks, you’re recruiting?
    Conspiracy folks? You did great. You have the best
    bunch around you, who still believe in boxcutters and Al-Quaeda.

    Anyway, let’s switch the topic and back to your
    answers.

    End of MY distractive introduction.

    INSULTS

    You decided to choose the way of "character
    assassination" instead of really responding to my
    criticism.
    As a matter of fact, i don’t feel insulted at all.
    I can pretty much live with a description of a
    "petulant twit or dolt", if this kind of consistency
    for coming to the truth describes it more properly for you.

    HONEY
    "...since your first year or two of rather admirable
    work.."
    Stop that slime. The closer i came to the truth, the
    less you admired. How obvious.

    I guess, that started with my article series, "the
    lost war drills/terror drills", later the topics had been hijacked by Mike "pee oil"
    Ruppert, who did not allow me to read the draft from his
    chapter about some stuff we figured out at team8plus.

    The irony is, the chapter i was allowed to read (and i had to sign a contract that i don’t disclose any content),
    did not only include stuff i already knew but when the
    book finally came out, the 2nd chapter did not include anything at all, from
    what he claimed to expose.

    The man is a fraud and he
    never cared about terror drills and
    distracted instead with war games (limited hangout) and sabotaged the valuable
    distinction -on purpose!

    I guess, it’s also less "admirable" what we did at
    Team8+ with the 7/7 investigations.
    Sure, the closer we come to the truth, we’re less
    admirable, us "twits". Or me, the "dolt".

    Well, if twits gets more hacked than others or
    attacked with DenialofSerials, then i’m proud to be a
    twit which insists on investigative facts.

    Let me assure you something, Kubiak.
    If there will ever be a day at TheHague, with the real
    perpetrators of 9/11, i wanna see your ass sitting
    next to them, while i will testify about your sabotage and all 8-10
    researchers who got threatened by Ruppert with a
    lawsuit.

    "FUNDAMENTALIST FRINGE"

    This freudian slip reveals, what exactly you
    should have done along time ago:
    Confirm that your bogus group is just a "fringe" and
    retire from the board to make way for
    others, who are not at the fringe.

  • 7 September 2005, 01:29

    Pt.2
    ...

    "RADICAL PURIST PROVOCATEURS"

    I wish i would be part of Monthy Phyton, which is a
    compliment.
    However, part of Pinkerton? That sounds pretty 80s.
    You didn’t come up with something fresher?

    You try to manipulate the reader that i’m ’not working
    for "them"’, but ’maybe’ i AM a paid mercenary or cointelpro.

    So let’s assume, i am the real cointel-pro and not you.

    What do i exactly sabotage?
    Your false trap show of Sibel Edmonds+ Co. or a
    protest at United Nations?
    Man, that cointel-pro shit works by itself. They don’t
    need me for that.
    Come up with a better reason.

    Provoking a rift in the
    war movement? Stirring up a fight between your bogus group and your supporters?
    I wish i could. You’re so lame.

    "WRITING ON BEHALF OF 911TRUTH.ORG"

    I asked you to answer as head of 911truth.org and
    therefore i ignore your statement.
    You speak as David Kubiak from 911truth.org. Don’t try
    to look for escalators.

    "....I should clearly say that I am not writing on
    behalf of 911truth.org or any members thereof. These are all
    quite personal reflections.."

    On other quotes:

    "...LIHOP was treason, MIHOP was treason, so we really
    didn’t care if we hung the bastards with a six or twelve foot rope..."

    Your carelessness turned into a zero foot rope

    "...your stupid and self-righteous litmus tests about
    which 9/11 scenarios are canonical and which are not..."

    You’re confusing this with a piss contest on scenarios, in reality it’s that you eliminated a lot of these ’litmus tests’.

    "...turning the issue into dogmatic religious cult..."

    That’s exactly what YOU guys did. Sometimes i had the feeling, ny911truth.org behaved like
    jehova’s witnesses. You turned them into soulless zombies.
    This is not ’activism’, it’s like leafletting on SPECIAL K, a speciality of braindead Levis.

    Just walk 10 blocks to Union Square and you feel the difference immediately at the speakouts of NO POLICE STATE GROUP.

    RUSS GEORGE

    While Levis (who meanwhile looks like a seperated twin from Joh Judge) claimed,
    my research is based on fabrications, your answers did not deny any association.
    Thanks for the confirmations.

    "...You are a petulant egomaniac whose slovenly
    logic, language and research disserve us all..."

    If "you" is 911truth.org then i hope indeed it disserved you.

    "...they cunningly looked in the phone book, called up
    the building rental office, and rented the room just as you or
    anyone with $1200 could have done that day..."

    What was the name of the rental office?

    "...Did the connection of Guy Vantresca (ex-NSA) help?
    Is Guy Vantresca still in touch with 911truth.org?
    A) Guy has never "been in touch with" or had anything
    to do with 911truth.org (although he did help me buy a computer
    cable once)...."

    A computer cable? How ironic. Thanks again for the confirmation.
    He did more than that also for the NSA.

    "....Kyle remains an important ancestral spirit of
    911truth.org, and through his C-SPAN work..."

    Maybe it’s also time to reveal the name of his contact to figure out,
    who’s censoring at C|Span.
    They censored me twice.

    In one case, i was allowed to ask a question to the 9/11 panel and
    asked them about the October 2000 miniature pentagon exercise,
    while holding a print out picture of an attacked mini-wing into the camera.
    That piece aired only once and was edited out in the re-runs.

    Also Lynn Pentz was censored, when she critized Nafeez Ahmed at the DC Conference.

    Any explanations?

    "...Can you explain, why the "support" of the following
    persons who signed your ’truth petition’, are helpful...

    ...Rachel Ehrenfeld, Ph.D.-a member of the ultra-hawkish
    neocon think tank, Committee on the Present Danger,
    whose honorary chair is George Shultz (Bechtel).
    Jim Garrison, Ph.D.-founder of the State of the World
    Forum with Mikhail Gorbachev and co-founder with
    Jesuit Daniel Sheehan of the Christic Institute, which
    was widely suspected of deliberately bungling and
    wrecking Iran-Contra investigations in the 1980s.

    John Gray, Ph.D., -associated with weapon dealer Adnan
    Khashoggi

    Daniel Ellsberg, ex-RAND Corporation employee, who’s
    supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11

    Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, who’s supportive of
    official negligence spin of 9/11

    Melvin Goodman, former Senior Analyst, CIA, who’s
    supportive of official negligence spin of 9/11

    Morton Goulder, Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and
    Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter. New Hampshire
    venture finance tycoon Goulder was the founder of
    defence electronics giant Sanders Associates which was
    acquired by Lockheed/Martin in the 1980s and is now
    known as BAE Systems.

    John Cobb, Ph.D., associated with Club of Rome member
    and former World Bank economist, Herman Daly (Daly has
    also worked with the U.S. Sustainable Population
    Policy Project).

    Paul H. Ray, Ph.D., co-author of a 1974 report from
    Stanford Research Institute together with Willis
    Harman and Duane Elgin (Club of Rome). One of SRI’s
    main funding sources is Bechtel (as in, George
    Shultz’s Bechtel).

    David Korten, joined the new generation of Club of
    Rome.

    We didn’t give a damn who signed really as long as
    they believed the official story was a fraud.."

    Thanks again for the confirmation for the associations with these folks.
    Levis claimed, it’s based on fabrications.

    If you didn’t "give a damn who signed", can you explain, how 911truth.org
    attracted attention to them? Someone must have contacted them.
    So who was it. You?

    Otherwise, you also didn’t explain, why they never spoke out in public about 911truth.org
    Did they ever claim, that 9/11 was an Inside job? Nope, they didn’t.
    This question was not completely answered.

    "....Can you confirm, that you cancelled one speech from
    Lauren Moyet at the DC "truth"-emergency conference
    and if so, why?

    A) No, I can’t because I didn’t. Leuren was invited to
    lead off a Sunday "Lethal Deceit" workshop on depleted uranium
    and to brief the afternoon plenary on the state of the DU truth
    movement today, both of which she did quite admirably. She was also
    our security backup for the Lafayette Park event in case Sunny
    Miller, whom we had originally consulted regarding DU and veteran
    issues, could not come..."

    This question was actually the only question, which was based on hearsay.
    Thanks for the confirmation, that she was just "second choice".

    Sunny Miller is from Traprock Peace Center, an activist group,
    which actually supports the official story of 9/11.

    David Keppel of Traprock Peace Center is supportive
    of official story of 9/11, by expressing that "these"
    US soldiers "have done more than any terrorist could
    ever do to increase the probability of another
    September 11th"
    http://traprockpeace.org/keppel_memorial_talk_05.htm

    "....Why do you think, it’s productive to let a 9/11 victim
    speak at the anniversary march, who actually supports
    the official story?
    Donna Marsh O’Connor, Mother of Vanessa Lang Langer.

    A) Why do you think - when you can’t even read the
    internet
    correctly, you can read a person’s heart? And why in
    hell would
    you ever think that Donna Marsh O’Connor is a dupe or
    government
    apologist?..."

    I don’t know what "reading the internet" is, but her quote below is clearly evidence,
    that she’s a government apologist:

    http://www.thousandreasons.org/opinion/100204b.html
    "...They (the terrorists) don’t hate us for who we are. They hate us for what we deny them...

    ...I lost my baby girl.Don’t you dare think for one moment I don’t want revenge. But I am not stupid. She died for the value of this soil as well as the value of our shared communal goals...

    ...Vote for John Kerry and John Edwards..."

    "...GZ is certainly a great crime scene and a vital
    place to teach some facts, but it is also a truly sacred public tomb..."

    What you call ’sacred tomb’ is actually exploited every week by shameless
    street vendors, which make money on the losses.

    Your statement actually also contradicts with the weekly appearances of ny911truth.org at GROUND ZERO,
    every saturday, also "peaceful, private and holy".

    You claim you respect some familiy members, which btw. actually supported the 9/11 bill.

    Did you make a survey among all victim family members?
    And even if the majority would plead against it, so does also the apparently the US public.
    This is no point at all.

    We have to convince a strong minority, not wait until everyone wakes up by themselves or hide
    behind the blindness of some family members, who actually worked against our case!!
    My respect ends with their blindness and your manipulations of them.

    "...You are obviously operating in some parallel
    semantic universe if you can uniformly label these guys as "official
    story supporters" with a straight face. Just what is the
    Inquisition’s
    current definition of "official story" these days?..."

    Exactly what Nafeez, Danny and Peter says:
    19 muslims with boxcuttters hijacked some planes on order of Al-Quaeda.

    Strange, that this doesn’t matter for you.

    "...My personal view is that the physical case for
    demolition is virtually undeniable, especially with Building 7, but the
    proponents of this view have been excruciatingly lazy
    and/or unimaginative in following up on its implications..."

    A lot of other researchers and authors from this mini mailing list already responded on that.
    I have nothing to add. You pretty much exposed yourself:

    "...Simply hollering "demolition" over and over in greater detail does not advance our case an inch..."

    You didn’t holler at all. Your statement, like Roger from 911blogger.com correctly pointed out,
    is an insult against all WTC collapse researchers.

    "...The BTS questions are too conflicted and
    confusing at this time with too many family members - some whom I trust
    – saying they watched the planes take off..."

    Nothing is conflicted about this. The records are clear. The planes which took off had nothing to
    do with the BTS flight numbers, but it would be interesting to talk to these witnesses.

    When i tried to get in touch with "FLIGHT11"-victims via help of Bill Doyle (who runs the biggest victim mailing list), to inform them about discrepancies (also including reports on departures from 2 different gates!), Bill told me a while later, that they’re too scared to speak out and don’t want any further mails on that. The other family members had been sheltered by Kyle Hence.
    No chance to get to any of them...

    "....What’s your take on democracyNow!, ANSWER, United for
    Peace and MoveOn.org, who are blocking the truth about
    9/11?
    Why isn’t there a protest march against them, too?

    "...In fact some key players in these
    groups are already on our side, but continue to keep their silent
    distance because of the dingbat faction wars in our midst..."

    On which side? Covering up the truth?
    If they would be on the real side of the truth, they would leave these groups and speak out in public against them.

    "...In other words, I really, really don’t care what kind
    of hardware hit what target, who was driving or what opportunistic
    bells & whistles were added on. In my mind, they are all
    relatively trivial technical details.."

    Thanks for that confirmation. You revealed yourself.
    YOU ARE a dolt.

    "...Why did 911truth.org support John Kerry, having been
    aware of rigged e-voting machines and his past at
    Skull+Bones?

    I may be having a senior moment, but can’t for the
    life of me remember us ever endorsing the Kerry ticket...."

    ny911truth.org did. On one leaflet they put on the top of their 9/11 truth ’questions’ the slogan:
    (paraphrased) "...think about that at the next election".
    That was at a time, when Kerry was already nominated as only candidate.
    When i asked them, why they did that, they refused to answer...

    "...Why did 911truth.org not look into the suspicious
    background of the 7/7 london attacks?

    Because we are stretched so damn thin attending to
    America’s coup and destruction that explosive sideshows in
    London, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc..."

    Sideshows? "stretched so thin".?
    Does that include writing articles or link to some pages?
    You’re updating your website around the clock.

    "...Why did you write on 911truth.org, that "the next few
    months will decide what, if any, September 11th truth
    will ever be revealed for many years to come"?

    It was offered in exhortative mode, not in resignation, and introduced
    the Summer of Truth concept which thanks to the work of scores of
    people generated a lot of inspiring events..."

    Saudi bashing stories of Indira Singh and peak oil distractions of Jenna Orkin
    must really have helped your lousy summer of truth :)
    Then after that, 911truth.org remained in silence for months and Ruppert bashed 911truth as ’politically dead’.

    "...Why do you allow a LIHOP/MIHOP diversion by Nic Levis,
    who believes, that these labels can coexist with each
    other?

    ...Because they can and do co-exist, sometimes in the
    very same people..."

    Your answer revealed yourself.

    "...McGovern brings us a lot of all three and has also read both of Griffin’s books and
    reveres him deeply. When or where he will announce his own
    interpretation of events is entirely up to him..."

    You know what? We don’t have to wait for him. He’s not helping the case. Simple. Period!

    "...Who is payrolling David Kubiak, Nic Levis and
    911truth.org?
    What’s your both regular jobs?

    ...Nick can speak for himself, but as far as I know
    his last real paycheck was for organizing Jimmy Walter’s NY gig
    last fall and believe he now does odd-job translations and lives
    from hand to mouth..."

    I admire his way of survival. He gained weight the last time i saw him. :)

    "...Allow me to re-insert my
    fingernails and bid you fond adieu. Any further questions will be
    gladly answered same time, same place, next year...."

    This means, you won’t reply before September 3rd, 2006?

    What a responsible decision. We’re so proud about your way how to keep your priorities straight.
    Do you come back or do you want to appoint som new head of 911truth.org?

    Who will it be? Levis? Here is my recommendation: Appoint Ray McGovern or the rest room cleaning woman of the Pentagon.
    At least we will know, who really runs the show.

    "...Meantime would recommend you study Uncle Karl Rove’s
    "Master Course in Character Attack" if you really want to
    improve your skills..."

    I guess, you’ve read that every day :)

    "...You should have gone after my mother
    who was scanning maps in the DC War Department from ’44 to
    ’45..."

    I think, she did some more honorable work than you.
    God bless her.

    team8+ was ’scanning maps’ from Sep11th from ’04 to ’05.
    I would love to forward them to relatives of the "DC War Department"

    Any contacts?

    Nico aka ewing2001

  • 7 September 2005, 16:49

    http://rabbiphilo.blogspot.com/

    ...while there may still have been some debate on the nature of these swindlers on the third anniversary...we can celebrate the fourth annivarsary with a clear statement that the so called official 9/11 Truth Movement is purely

    F.S.O.

    FOR SUCKERS ONLY

    they have driven away the real researchers, because they are a business, an industry of their own. their relationship to the real research movement is akin to Stalin’s relationship to the original Bolsheviks or perhaps the Roman Catholic Church’s relationship to the original Christian of the Gospels (albeit we don’t know too much about the original Christians.)

    Point being, in late 2002 when I got involved with the conspiracy movement, and earlier in November of 2001 when I was involved with the environmental 9/11 movement, we were A MOVEMENT.

    We were a group of people with disparate aims and disparate goals, but we had come together as the result of an historic event...we had been driven together. There were no leaders and followers in the sense that scum like Kubiak and Hence and his local NYC quislings Nick Levis and Les Jamieson have created. Or the living god Ruppert with his Rubicons and Caligulas.

    The 9/11 bureaucracy is a stinking rotted zombie which lays down the rules for the researchers. You can say this, but you can’t say that. Where did these people get their money with which they tower over us. At first I thought it was just that they had managed to get better volunteer webmasters. Ah, I fear it is not that simple. These people have just WAY too much money.

    Hmm... well geez what’s their big agenda... telling everyone in the world that the high price of energy is justified. Hmm... whose shares that interest... the energy companies? ie the Petroleum industry?

    I have not seen definitive proof of the 9/11 bureaucracy being in the pay of the oil companies, but I have seen some evidence presented which seems compelling. It should be THEIR BURDEN... to prove that they are not.

    Rabbi Philo Gorgias shmoozes on

  • 4 September 2006, 09:19

    WOW! Flame away, boys! Are we having fun yet? Listen to yourselves. Is it any wonder the so-called gatekeepers are keeping their distance? Why would they want to wade into this. Yes, Tarpley calls them out, but with measured respectable civility, but then he’s got the classiest broadcast on the planet - Beethoven bumpers for God’s sake. And do you see him mucking around with you lot here. Keep it up and he’ll disassociate as well. He’s the most cogent, sensible, articulate voice this movement has. Webster, if you’re reading this; doubtful, as you’ve likely got genuinely serious reading before you; but certainly you’re aware of this idiocy, and since everyone so respects you, could you please assert yourself and slap some sense in them? Focus, people. This is serious stuff that goes way beyond your ego issues.

    redipen