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Beyond Good and Evil: Some Thoughts on Invasions

by Open-Publishing - Tuesday 3 August 2004
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By GARY LEUPP

And when you’re trying to lead the world in a war that I view as really between the forces of good and the forces of evil, you got to speak clearly.

President George W. Bush, in an interview with Christianity Today

Invasions Happen

The study of history gives you, if nothing else, a sense of perspective on human events. Events like invasions. Invasions are of course a staple in history. Some, like the Norman invasion of Britain, for some reason have a noble ring to them; others, like the Japanese invasion of Korea, an evil connotation. But countries invade one another, regularly. It’s historically normal. The fact that they do so says nothing at all about the virtues of the people in the invading or invaded country. In my lifetime the U.S., a country of people good bad and in between, has invaded the Dominican Republic, Grenada, Panama, Iraq. None of which is my American fault, and probably not your fault either, but that of the Johnson, Reagan, and Bush administrations.

Invasions can be good, or at least sympathetically depicted. The Normandy Invasion hastened the downfall of fascism in Europe, as did the Soviet invasion of Germany following the Battle of Stalingrad. In the Bible, Joshua’s Israelites invade Canaan. This is usually seen in the Judeo-Christian tradition as a fine thing. Why? Because God tells Joshua that the Israelites will possess the whole land between Lebanon and the Euphrates (Joshua 1:1-9). God Himself brings down the walls of Jericho as His grand project begins. The "Lord of the whole earth" personally promises Joshua that he will expel the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girashites, Amorites and Jebusites beyond the Jordan River (3:7-11), and Joshua proceeds to slaughter these people. Here is a key western literary narrative, contributing to the content, for example, of Negro spirituals, which depict the crossing of the Jordan River as a liberation (3:14-4:18). In the narrative, the good Israelites destroy the above mentioned peoples because they are evil and God wants them gone. So definitely a good invasion.

It’s not surprising that the U.S., which many Americans see as the Promised Land, and which was settled by deeply religious people through incremental conquest, invades other countries. Still, the invasion of Iraq was unusual. Iraq is much larger and much farther away than the above-mentioned Caribbean countries. Most of the world accepts the fact that the U.S. will generally control its own hemisphere, but is shocked when the U.S. invades the heart of the Arab world, apparently intending to maintain a large military force there, forever. It is shocked when the U.S. thus says to the world, "The bottom line is: if you want dealings with this region and access to its resources, in the New American Century, the Full Spectrum Dominance Century, you’ll have to cooperate with us. Even if the insurgency is long, even if we have to resume the draft, even if we wind up in a general war with Syria and Iran, we’ll be here. Because if we withdraw now there’ll be chaos. The bad guys will win." The world is both frightened and angered when the U.S. insinuates that it itself is good (good virtually by definition), and to be good all others must do what America wants.

Two Invasions

Let us recall what (in a way) started all this. On August 2,1990, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait with two armored divisions, meeting with little military resistance. The invaders committed atrocities; in detention centers in Kuwait city, prisoners were raped and tortured. Troops, it has been reported, had orders to burn down houses refusing to open their doors. But as invasions go, it seemed a professional operation. Amnesty International in a news release on October 2, 1990 reported "scores" of civilians had been killed. The U.S. government later maintained that Iraqi forces killed 1,000 civilians during the full six months of occupation.

The round figure suggests the figure is likely lower. The U.S. military does not keep civilian death counts in its own invasions, as a matter of policy, always announcing, as a matter of policy, that all measures possible have been taken to minimize collateral damage. But private scholarly reports put the Panamanian civilian death toll from the invasion of December 1989 at about 300.

The Afghan civilian death toll from the U.S. attack October 7, 2001 to March 2002 is estimated at between 3,000 and 3,400.

The Iraq Body Count Project reports that to date a minimum of 11,336 civilians have died as a result of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. That’s four or five 9-11s.

By the end of February 1991 Saddam’s troops were fleeing Kuwait in disorder, in commandeered milk trucks and school buses, under heavy bombardment by a U.S.-led coalition. Tens of thousands of conscript Iraqi boys were incinerated on the Highway of Death leading to Basra.

Thus while the invasion was relatively bloodless, the expulsion was in contrast was very bloody. Some in the Bush administration then, and many in the current administration, believe the U.S. should have moved on to overthrow Saddam Hussein in 1991, in which case there would have been far more bloodshed and a new American colony. But Bush (41), in a decision he continues to defend, insisted that Saddam’s overthrow would destabilize Iraq and the region. So he did not attempt it. He was content that the invasion of Kuwait had been rolled back and the status quo restored to the autocratic Emir.

As an historian, I see the Kuwait invasion as a pretty typical one. Not much special about it. If Iraqi troops had behaved with special savagery, and, say, torn 312 premature babies from their incubators left them to die on the cold floors of Kuwaiti hospitals, such would surely make this invasion memorable. (Actually, this transparently bogus story was widely aired in 1990 in the U.S. press. Convincingly discredited, it has been repeated again and again.

It’s called disinformation, and often accompanies invasions and wars.)

In fact, I say, a pretty pedestrian invasion. It could, like all such normal invasions, be justified. Iraq could say, first of all, that Kuwait was part of Basra Province, one of the three Ottoman provinces (the others being Mosul and Baghdad) that the British had during the Arab Revolt (1916-18) promised to establish as a single Arab state. They could argue that through most of the last 5000 years Kuwait and all or parts of what is now Iraq were under common rule. Iraq could say that a random decision by a British general after World War I should not determine the political map of the Middle East. They could point out that Britain established Kuwait as a protectorate in order to control the oil and make use of the harbor; and that when Kuwait was granted independence in 1961, Iraq had asserted its claim to sovereignty and almost seized its neighbor. (This was long before Saddam Hussein was at the helm, and anti-Baathist ’Abd al-Karim Qasim was president.)

Iraq could condemn the chattel-slavery prevailing in the harems of the Kuwaiti elite. Iraq could point out that it had gone deeply into debt with Kuwait (since the Kuwaiti emir had enthusiastically supplied funds for Iraq’s war on Shiite, Persian Iran) and that Kuwait’s refusal to cancel part of that debt damaged Iraq’s credit rating with international lenders. It could and did point to illegal Kuwaiti exploitation of Iraqi oilfields. Iraq could argue that its system of social services, its mainly secular law code (based on the Napoleonic) including its marriage law would mean improvement for those living in Kuwait. But none of these mundane reasons for this (again) fairly routine invasion would have been discussed on CNN. No commentator in the U.S. free press could possibly have played devil’s advocate and justified the invasion.

Instead, this second-rate invasion, by a country of about 22 million of a country numbering (including foreigners, half the total) one-tenth that figure, was treated by the first President Bush as a threat to world peace rivaling that presented by Adolph Hitler in the 1930s. He actually called Saddam "a new Hitler," declared that the annexation "will not stand," and may have provided bogus intelligence to the Saudi rulers about a 250,000 strong Iraqi troop deployment on the Saudi border in order to win Riyadh’s terrified consent for the establishment of U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia. Bush proclaimed a "New World Order" (eerily reminiscent, actually, of Hitler’s own "New Order in Europe" proclaimed in 1940, or the "New Order in East Asia" proclaimed by Japan’s Tojo Hideki around the same time) as he prepared in 1990 to attack the Iraqis in Kuwait. Once committed to the attack, he and his cabinet rejected any Iraqi withdrawal offer, the fulfillment of which, to them, would constitute the "nightmare scenario."
Simply put, that would have meant a neat end to the crisis with Saddam’s troops going home but remaining the most powerful military in the Middle East (except for Israel). That’s the thing Bush couldn’t allow to stand.

It was important to vilify Saddam to the American people, and easy to do. But the dictator who had done so many nasty things had, early in his career, made contacts with the CIA, whose anti-communism he shared. There was a time when the CIA promoted the (now vilified) Baath party as an alternative to Iraq’s Communist Party (the largest in the Arab world in the 1950s, and for a time tolerated by Qasim, who withdrew from the Baghdad anti-Soviet pact and courted the USSR). There was a time when the Reagan administration, which had condemned Iraq’s support for Palestinian "terrorist organizations" removed Iraq from the "terror-supporting" list, and sent Donald Rumsfeld to negotiate an improvement in ties.

This was because Saddam was engaged in a terrible war with Iran (1980-88)-, a country Washington wished to weaken. That explains the numerous Commerce Department-approved sales to Iraq of war material, including materials that could produce weapons of mass destruction.

Important to demonize this man whose brutality you had in the past ignored or supported. As the bombs fell on Baghdad in January 1991, many Americans knew that Iraq had used chemical weapons against Kurds in 1988. Fewer knew that the U.S. had publicly continued to side with Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war after that. Fewer still knew that just a month before the Kuwait invasion, Saddam had had a cordial, formal meeting with U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie in which she told him the Bush administration sought closer ties with his government and officially had "no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border dispute with Kuwait."

But back to the invasion itself. This rapid annexation could have produced a far wealthier Iraq, with a very different distribution of wealth generally in the region, and the spread of Baathist institutions to Kuwait. The resident foreigners in Kuwait might have been given greater rights. The dress code might have lightened up a lot; the clerics restrained; liquor sales legalized, etc. Women probably would have enjoyed greater freedom. On the other hand, if in the various "human rights" categories the Iraqis performed worse that the emirate’s forces, any good done might be neutralized. Good or bad? You decide. But without asking the American people to think and then decide, the Bush administration decreed that Iraq must withdraw from Kuwait, and that the emirate must be restored. The U.S. was the boss.

And indeed, its will was done. Thirteen years after Saddam stumbled in and out of Kuwait in this historically unremarkable invasion, the U.S. invaded and occupied Iraq. It did so having failed to procure United Nations authorization, its case for war weak and not widely accepted, rejected, indeed, by France, Germany, Russia, China, India, Canada, Belgium, Mexico, Brazil, and so many others, including the papacy. Now let us, just as an intellectual diversion, compare these two events. In 1990 Iraq had invaded a neighboring country whose sovereignty it hadn’t acknowledged until the 1960s. A country towards which it held public grievances. Hussein seems to have thought his annexation of the neighbor state would not upset his U.S. allies. Instead they labeled him "a new Hitler" and executed a plan to greatly weaken him.

The Hitler analogy was really a stretch. If you really wanted an apt analogy to the Hussein regime, I’d suggest that of Suharto in Indonesia. It slaughtered 700,000 people in its anti-communist crackdown in the 1960s. Later Suharto’s troops invaded East Timor, in 1975, the day after a meeting between Suharto and U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. East Timor had been a Portuguese colonial territory since the sixteenth century but had been granted independence by Lisbon after the recent leftwing military coup. Suharto preemptively grabbed it---more brutally, surely, than Saddam later grabbed Kuwait---but the U.S. did not protest, and the U.S. press was silent. Again, invasions are just not that unusual.

Suharto’s invasion of East Timor resulted in the deaths of around 200,000 of its 700,000 inhabitants, an ethnic group very different from the invaders. If you wanted to demonize this man, whom most Americans don’t know much about, and specifically demonize him as an invader, perpetrator of genocide, fascist, how easily you could have done so! If only you owned the press, back in 1975. Those who did own the press were aware that the U.S. was continuing arms shipments to Indonesia and that they were being deployed in East Timor. They surely knew, in the 1980s, that the Reagan administration maintained cordial military ties with Indonesia, and that Reagan advisor Paul Wolfowitz, for a time U.S. ambassador to the country, was particularly supportive of the hard line on the former Portuguese colony. But they didn’t find this particular invasion, this ongoing East Timor atrocity, newsworthy.

Suharto stepped down in May 1998 in the face of a mass uprising and U.S. pressure, reminiscent of the combination that brought down Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, and East Timor has received a sort of U.N.-guaranteed independence (in the amicable presence of U.N. peacekeepers disproportionately Australian, that is, from the only country that had once---to allow for some oil exploration contracts---officially accepted Indonesia’s sovereignty over East Timor). Madeleine Albright praised his decision, saying it was an "historical act of statesmanship" that would "preserve his legacy as a man who not only led his country but also provided for its democratic transition." Suharto lives well in declining health, spared criminal prosecution while Saddam Hussein is subjected to treatment many Arabs who hate him find demeaning to themselves and reflective of American barbarism.

The Iraqi occupation of Kuwait lasted from August 1990 to February 1991 and took, at most, a thousands lives at the hands of Iraqis. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 took tens of thousands of lives. It doesn’t really matter whether they were military or civilian. Since any Iraqi soldiers were doing what soldiers minimally and most legitimately do---fight against foreign invaders---they were no more guilty of crimes than the civilians slaughtered with them. The invasion resulted in the overthrow of an internationally recognized government, the infliction of chaos and humiliation on a proud Muslim people, and a large and variegated resistance movement fed daily by American military tactics in the heart of the Arab world. It has produced international outrage at U.S. policy on an unprecedented scale, and polarized American society. In world history, of the two invasions, this was the greater one, surely.

Justifying the Greater Invasion

How does the die-hard supporter of the invasion justify it today? "Well, at least," he will say, "we got rid of a dictator." Indeed Saddam has fallen from power, and now a long-time CIA operative named Iyad Allawi, accused of murder, is in there as the U.S.-backed boss.

While threatening to impose martial law, he defends himself from the charge of dictatorship by allowing a "free press," even permitting a newspaper linked to Muqtada al-Sadr to reappear. So the invasion remains, for some, morally justified by its liberating results. By this logic, an invasion of Myanmar (Burma) producing a marginally more democratic system (conducted, let’s say, not by the U.S. but by Japan or India) would be justified. Indeed any toppling, by anybody, of a dictator whom "the world is better off without," would be reasonable, unless of course the dictator were toppled by a bigger dictator, and dictatorship were to generally increase in the world as a result. We may have differences of opinion about who is, in fact, a dictator (and even differ on the question of whether dictatorship can sometimes be good). But international law, now fashionably dismissed, was supposed to discourage the prospect that countries claiming to be good would unilaterally invade countries they considered bad. It rather encouraged them to observe basic rules and respect sovereignty, however unsavory the regimes they must deal with.

The great irony here is that one of the more routine and relatively defensible invasions of modern times led so seamlessly into this most unusually preposterous invasion. It’s one thing to have Iraqi troops on Kuwaiti streets, understanding the culture and giving orders in Arabic, endeavoring to solidify an expanded Iraqi nation. It’s another to have American troops on Iraqi streets, clueless about the culture and giving orders in English, endeavoring to stave off constant attacks by the locals and establish a pro-U.S. regime---one that might someday help reduce the level of hatred directed at the street level towards your foreign, invading, occupying self. In fact, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, this "Arab-Arab" matter, was less of an invasion than the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Less invasive culturally, less intrusive, offensive and humiliating.

Back to the main point: invasions happen. They should generally be condemned, but they aren’t the worse things in the world, and when the leading imperialist power uses some invasion somewhere to greatly augment its own military posture in that region of the world, and then itself invades the vilified invader on transparently concocted pretexts (including, so damned righteously, "Iraq has attacked its neighbors"), one should really revisit the real-world history. One cannot repeat too often that the first Bush, as vice president under Reagan, welcomed the Iraqi war on Iran, another routine invasion spurred less by Evil than by a very mundane, understandable conflict over water resources.

Good and Evil Invasions

Think about the Norman invasion of England, 1066. A force from Normandy led by aristocrats of mixed Viking-French noble genealogy toppled the English king Harold. The king’s credentials were contested by the Norwegian king Harald Hardrada and William of Normandy, both of whom claimed to be the rightful heir to the English throne. They used logical legal argument, as would be done today, stressing blood line and promises uttered by the former monarch. (Some people at the time might have applied some advanced logic, and wondered why these factors should have anything to do with human governance. These would have been revolutionaries.) Harald’s invasion was doomed at the Battle of Stamford Bridge, but the exhausted if victorious English forces soon fell to the Normans at the Battle of Hastings. En conséquence, a French-speaking ruling class arrived in England, and half the words in our fine English language are from Romance languages. There were all kinds of good and evil repercussions for the Anglo-Saxons.

Should the world have said, of this Norman Conquest: This will not stand? Should it have demonized William, comparing him to, say, Attila the Hun?

(Digression on Attila the Hun. There’s a real evil aura around the name, don’t you think? But years ago I met a Hungarian scholar in Japan. He was married to a Japanese and his son went to the same kindergarten as my daughter. The five year old son’s name was, you guessed it: Attila. As someone who would probably not name my son Attila, I was interested in his explanation. "Attila," the father told me, "was one of our greatest kings." This king invaded the Eastern Roman Empire in 441, then Germany and Gaul and Italy. He could have sacked Rome in 452 but was bought off by Pope Leo I. Many Hungarians think this invader was a hero, just as many Greeks think Alexander was a hero, or French (among others) think Napoleon was a hero.)

Questions for discussion. Was William good or evil to invade England? Attila good or evil to invade Gaul? Saddam good or evil to invade Kuwait? Hitler good or evil to invade Poland? Bush good or evil to invade Iraq? Are "good" and "evil" really adequate categories to evaluate contemporary and historical events? If so, what are the more evil invasions? Logically and morally, justify your answer.

Remember you got to speak clearly.

Gary Leupp is Professor of History at Tufts University, and Adjunct Professor of Comparative Religion. He is the author of Servants, Shophands and Laborers in in the Cities of Tokugawa Japan; Male Colors: The Construction of Homosexuality in Tokugawa Japan; and Interracial Intimacy in Japan: Western Men and Japanese Women, 1543-1900. He is also a contributor to CounterPunch’s merciless chronicle of the wars on Iraq, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia, Imperial Crusades.

He can be reached at: gleupp@granite.tufts.edu

http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp08022004.html

Forum posts

  • Get the Fuck Out of My House, My Land and the Planet Liberal Left Progressing towards Nothing Asset Academic!

    This is typical academic bullshit to "embed" the idea that sometime greedy war mongerin scum going into peoples homes, stealing their land and other resources and genociding the people is justifiable (like the "incremental invasion" of North America), after all it’s been done historically and offering a "complex" analysis of your latest version of history produces a kind of knowledge that allows "american" academics to get off the hook for doing nothing about the new imperialism and fascism you all are perpetrating.

    Only some CIA asset spouting relativistic "beyond good and evil" blatherer could posit that the suffering of oppressed and exploited people from the indigenous North American to the African slave to the Paletinian and Iraqi people by imperial capitalist industrialist post industrialist global corperate banker sponsored academic research planning and development scum could write this shit.

    I know that if bio-warfare, daisey cluster bombs, check points, mercenaries, militaries, Abu/Guantanamo torturers and "hang around the fort" collaborators were part of your everyday existence destroying your homes, hospitals, universities, stealing everything you have, raping, killing and pillaging, you would be able to tell the difference between good and evil quite clearly. It’s really quite simple---Do not oppress, exploit, invade, steal the land and kill the indigenous. Get the fuck out.

    Break your Agent of the State Chains and Join the Global Insurgency Fool!

    John Brown’s Daughter

    • I am probably going to regret responding here, but one of us missed something in the "Beyond Good and Evil" article. I did not infer, as I gather you did, that the author was condoning invasion in any way: he was simply stating that the U.S. invasion had a greater global impact than the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. I get the impression that your final conclusion is that academics should give up being academics, (by the way I know many academics and none have any knowledge of serving as CIA assets, then again they probably wouldn’t say so if they did) and they should join the "Global Insurgency." What exactly is that? Most of the "planet liberal left"ists that I know would be less than enthusiastic about trading in their "agent of the state chains" for a shiney new Kulashnikov to throw their hat into the violence ring, if that’s what you mean. If the liberal left, as you say, is progressing toward nothing (not a widely held opinion among academics), what exactly is the "global insurgency" headed toward? I am afraid that you may have become a revolutionary out of a simple inability to follow instructions (some people think that’s what happened with Stalin), ie. you did not "SPEAK CLEARLY."

      MKL

    • Invasions are wrong, occupations are wrong, imperialism is wrong, these things are categorically wrong in what they are and what they do, no matter what the guise or pretext. They are wrong because they are unjust and immoral and they create and perpetuate conditions of systematic exploitation and oppression. Lie, cheat, kill and steal is the operational motto. Kill the Natives and steal their resources is the plan. Anyone academic or not, who is in anyway seriously and actively concerned with the future of the world and its people, must take a clear blunt and unequivical position against the global purveyors of organized social cruelty. Anyone at this late date apologizing for the activities of the largest and most pervasive fascist imperialism known to human history is helping perpetuate the problem, be it as an academic, or in any other capacity.

      According to the CIA and the Mossad we are well into WWIV it is important to identify who the forces are in this war, which is scheduled to last from 30-100 years according to the estimates of the aformentioned entities. On one side the fascist imperialist network of organized global crime run by a small group of bankers, financiers and industrialists, mobilizing the resources of the USA, Israel, Britian and over 180 other state governments along with the UN complex, (including the IMF and World Bank) and myriad NGO’s, "Humanitarian Organizations", media complexes and academic institutions. On the other side are the vast majority of the worlds people from and over whom power is taken and wealth is systematically extracted, including even most of the moronic american population, whose fundamental problem has long been a lack of recognition of who their own worst enemies are, ie. the government and what it serves.

      WWIV turns out to be what WWI claimed to be, the war to end all wars. The result aimed at by the new world order is the total and unconditional subjugation of everything on and in this planet and on out into the solar system. The opposition to the empire, which will finally attend to its destruction as has taken place in all empires hitherto, will consist of an assortment of all the people who are being subjected to its terrorist dictates. This opposition will not be the product of any single ideology but is the time honored struggle of those who are oppressed against those and that which is oppressing them.

      There used to be an expression in anti-imperialist circles, "one, two, many Vietnam’s". This slogan originated from an Argentine intellectual and medical doctor who positiviely modeled what it meant to be a committed revolutionary in his time. That Ernesto Che Guevara had his life prematurely terminated by the CIA in no way detracts from or negates the truth of his life and what he stood for.

      The fascist alliance lost the war in Vietnam, although they did manage to destroy much of Indochina and its people in the process. Iraq and the Arab and Islamic worlds pose an infinitely tougher opponent, given the numbers and the extent of the territory involved, and most importantly, the undefeatible fighting spirit of the people They cannot and will not obtain their objectives in Iraq. Two or more Iraqs will put them on the definitive slippery slope towards what is the end of all empire.

      As always, John Brown’s Daughter has stated the case in a clear and forthright manner. As is often the case, her respondents turn out to be made in the usa meadow-muffins who cannot and or do not want to see the forest or the trees.

      Husayn Al-Kurdi

    • O.k., I’m hooked. Husayn Al-Kurdi and John Brown’s daughter have both espoused an impressive tirade of "revolutionary" jargon. But neither seems able to translate their feelings into a real, solid and achievable point. I cannot say that I am familiar with JBD’s previous writing, but as to the case stated above, there is absolutely nothing clear or forthright about it. What forest? What trees? We’ve all seen too many of these calls to arms to join "the revolution" against "THEM" to take them seriously anymore. Especially in America, defining "the empire" is effectively impossible. Is it George Bush? Is it his cabinet? Is it the neighbor who works for the local police, the brother or sister in the military, or any of the half or more of our country that disagrees with the left on a handful of issues?I realize that I am but a mere "meadow-muffin" out here in reality, but I consider it an affront to academics and liberals (not mutualy exclusive titles) to infer that because we’re not holed-up in a dark, smokey basement quoting Marx to each other and preparing for the moment of truth, that we are all simply sitting on a fence idly ineffectual. We are still trying to work within the system because corrupted as it may be we still believe in the fundamentals of democracy and integrity. And we know that for all of its glory, revolution has historically had two end roads; co-opting and reformulating the old hegemony under a new flag, or permanent chaos. No matter how "the empire" may twist and corrupt it, democracy is still the best game going. So, we are out in the trenches writing and teaching, presenting to our students, colleagues and all who will listen and learn, a different point of view and the accurate record on which to base it. What are you doing?

      World War IV (I guess I just missed #3, or we decided to skip over it), the end of all wars? First, I thought the CIA and Mossad were the bad guys. Why are we taking thier word for what World War we are fighting? Second, a "war to end all wars" is an incomprehensible oxymoron. There cannot be a war that ends wars. Peace is the way to end wars. War, no matter its aim, is war.

      No, Che Guevara’s death (at the hands of the Brazillian Army; proving the CIA’s involvement has yet to be done) does not negate what he stood for. His tendancy to ruthlessly slaughter any opposition by the thousands, armed or not, causes some doubts, however.

      In the end, their revolutionary fervor has led JBD an Husayn Al-Kurdi to forgoe a genuine understanding of the "Beyond Good and Evil" argument. In, fact they are a good example of a mindset still beset by the trappings of labeling indefinite enemies "evil" and indefinite revolt against them as "good." Their arguments and their revolution exist only on the etherial plain. They are, as the late Christopher Lasch might say, optimistic about the success of their revolution, but utterly hopeless in the execution of it.

      "We have seen the enemy, and it is us." The last decade has proven beyond question what a few well timed and placed decisions can reap. And George Bush, Arial Sharon, Saddam Hussein, and any other leader has only as much power and latitude as the people will give them. There is every chance that Bush may lose this election because many of the American people feel that invasion was wrong. Arial Sharon may lose his next election for not invading far enough. Either way, invasions will still go on as long as they are supported, because it is not a violent revolution that brings overarching change. It is the choice of a majority that continues to make incremental change.

      A wise man once said, "you can’t clean your house from across the street." Stop fighting (or preparing for) an immaterial revolution existant only the abstract. Save an ideal that simply needs to be untwisted in a few places.

      Meadow-muffin

    • Let me remind the world that it was not the United States that wanted or even desired to be a World Power at the beginning of the 20th century. For approximately 117 years, the United States remained out of European affairs. The United States cared less who invaded whom.. i.e. Prussia invaded Austria-Hungary; Prussia invaded France; etc. In fact the U.S. stayed out of WWI even though ranking officials from the Allies begged for the U.S. to come in the war, a war that could have been prevented if cooler heads had prevailed! The U.S. entered the war in 1917 and soon after the war, the U.S. got out. The U.S. didn’t even join the League of Nations. The U.S. tried to practice isolationism. The U.S. did not want to be part of the affairs of the eastern hemisphere. Then came WWII, and again we remained out of the war until 1941, even though our interests were seriously being jeopardized long before our entry in that war. After the war, the United States was seen as the bulwark against Communism. We again had to fight because North Korea invaded South Korea. We entered Vietnam at the behest of the South Vietnamese government. Then we had Iraq invading Kuwait, and again we entered a war. We should have gone on to Baghdad and took out Saddam Hussein, but the U.S. acquiesced to the world’s opinion to leave him alone. For ten years, there was a "no fly zone" over parts of Iraq. For ten years, American pilots were shot at... and not a word of condemnation from the World! For ten years there was an embargo on Iraqi products to force their compliance with the demands that world place on her, yet France, Germany, and other nations decided to trade with her illegally! We were attacked in 2001, yet the world’s support quickly evaporated when the United States decided to tackle the problem of terrorism in the world. Much of the world is fickle, noncommittal, and appeasers (just like France and Britain were in the 1930s), and only want help when they can’t do it themselves. Maybe the nations of the world should look at themselves before condemning the U.S.!