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DOES GEORGE BUSH LIE?
By Peter Fredson
July 12, 2005
If the words someone speaks do not match reality, are they lies? If a person sincerely believes what he is saying but the words are not true, is that still a lie? If a person suffers from megalomania and announces that he is Napoleon or Jesus or a deity, is it a lie from his standpoint? If we strongly disbelieve someone saying they are Napoleon or Jesus or a deity doesn’t that make them a liar?
When we examine a person’s credibility do we categorize lies into big dark ones and little bitty white ones? Should we distinguish between playful evasions and outrageous untruth?? Should we distinguish between lies, falsehoods, fabrications, deceit, fibs, prevarications, misinformation, mendacity, dishonesty, mendacity, untruthfulness, perversion, misconduct, equivocation, dodging the truth, spinning the truth, evading the truth, knavery, and half-truths?
Should we overlook that fact that everybody, at one time or another, has lied consciously in order to escape some consequence of their actions, or to obtain some advantage?
Is there anyone who has never said a phrase like, “No, I never saw it’ or “Not me” or “I have no idea of how that happened” when you did something. Even examining the history of Church saints one realizes that prevarication was in general use.
About half of the U.S. general population has lived through a period when President Bill Clinton presented a fascinating display and classification of lying to protect him from the consequences of at least one blow-job.
In case you have forgotten, or somehow missed this presentation, it created a National fire-storm of moral indignation, high dudgeon, string-him-up rhetoric, and endless prying into sordid detail of pleasures supposedly forbidden to politicians. Preachers wrung their hands in anguish at such goings-on, supposedly never seen before by civilized men, and thundered that the world was at the point of collapse into some sort of divine destruction.
Senators pressed their avid noses into the metaphorical crotch of a buxom intern, and reveled in details of kneeling pads, cigars, and positions taken. Drooling seemed to occur daily with calls for ever more details. Some of the sex-repressed senators must have come close to sexual climax with juicy details of how stains got on a dress.
Clinton responded with a definition of what IS is, and several distinguished senators came close to apoplexy before and after terms of impeachment. Certainly nearly half of Congress decided that lying merited impeachment, if not castration. Their wrath, their fuming and fulminating were high theater for people glued to their television screen.
And, it is reported, that several adventurous souls tried variations of the missionary position by reading the Kama Sutra.
We have no idea how many yards of cloth were ruined by moist stains after this debauchery.
When does lying become treason? Is it not when lives are lost on the basis of deliberate misinformation, and wars fought on the basis of some pretended intention or Napoleonic-like dream of world conquest?
Is it not when national reputation, morals and morale is damaged by deliberate misinformation?
But here again we face the megalomania part of the scheme. Is it treason if people suffering some form of mania believe their own lies? Is it lying when a leader is told that he is really above the law, and by finding clever definitions evades the law?
Is it lying when someone has been brain-washed from their alcoholic stupor by religious devotees into thinking they are selected by some deity to legislate quotations from their sacred book?
Half of Congress, about the same half and people that vociferously demanded the impeachment of Bill Clinton, are remarkably uninterested in any details of any sort of shenanigans the President has perpetuated. Lies, for them, seem to be relative to party discipline, and irrelevant to any sort of legalistic inquiry.
All the corruption, missing billions, corporate criminality, sycophant chorus lies of a venal overly-aggressive True Believer cabinet, civil repression, etc., are too frivolous to be noticed. All the failures, the unfulfilled promises, the misuse of public funds, are simply minor details to be quickly forgotten in the pursuit of corporate profit. After all, Bush did get that dangerous felon, Martha Steward, even if Ken Lay is walking about free as a swallow.
Lies, for many people, are worthwhile if the ends to be gained are worthwhile. To pronounce someone EVIL and then declare war is a perfectly good way to make air-bases, start a plan for world conquest, and get scarce resources. Having several thousand soldiers die for lies is no big deal when the stakes are set by Almighty God himself whispering into the ear of a President.
It was worth-while for Julius Caesar, so it should be good enough for our Saint George. Golly, he would gladly have sacrificed many times that number of lives, U.S. and Iraqi, for his vision of world domination and apocalypse. At least he says it was worthwhile, and that’s all that counts. Right?
It may all be relative, but we must ask: Does George W. Bush lie? Does he lie habitually or only incidentally? Does he lie from some mania or psychosis? And, finally, do his lies add up to an impeacheable offense?
Republicans will be obliged to say NO or their party may go down the drain. But, can the Democrats get up enough energy to force some investigations into whatever G.W.B. has been saying?
Forum posts
13 July 2005, 06:19
This has been looked at from so many points that it is no longer valid... Yes, Bush lied.
What everyone should be looking at is that White America believed Bush and continue to believe him. So, what does that make Bush and what does that make White Americans?
When even White Americans realize that it was a lie and is a lie, they do not take any action to correct the lie. The accept the lie as truth because it is in their benefit to do so. What does that make White Americans?
Why is it that White Americans state that they were fooled and yet, they know they must say they were fooled. It is as though, their God does not see that they accept the lie and repeat it over and over again — thinking they will be cleansed by this repetation. I see it all of the time at any and all church gatherings... My main church and other that I have gone to over the last two years...
Let’s face it, my White Americans family and friends simply have a bloodlust for these Arabs and Muslims. There seems to be some need to have revenge and be satisfied. But, from what I see and feel, the war on terror has not filled the void I [as we] have. We see that Iraqis are being killed and we feel some relief but the void is not filed. We see some Brits being killed and we imagine White faces like ourselves being killed and our void becomes larger. We don’t say but we want revenge and more killings. Iraq is the place now for this and we want to see more killings; we want revenge. There is no end to this because our void is with us. It will never be filled in this life.
The real reasons for war have long since been lost and we placate our hearts and minds that we have brought "freedom" to Iraq. Not wanting to know reality. We say this to fill our void. But the void cannot be filled by lies and untruths... And yet, we try to fill it with the same and want to find fullfillment. We cannot see that truth will fill our void but we are scared of the truth and we will never go near it — We are White American.
13 July 2005, 19:31
A white americans viewpoint:
The real problem is that the average american is an idiot and lacks the capability of thinking for themselves. Our horrific public school system seems to propagate and encourage this. Even at this point most Americans realize that justifications for this war were all lies but they still tend to agree with the overall actions of our commander in chief. He sits up there on his podium and just feeds propaganda. Journalists are rarely permitted to ask him questions and when they do they must be screened and verified before they can be asked (i.e. his press conferences are staged). Every once in awhile a real legitimate question is leaked through and the man just ignores them. To top it all off the main stream media just reiterates this same propaganda consistently. The american public is told only what the administration wants us to hear. Literally it has gotten to the point that most americans are mentally conditioned and when they hear key terms such as "terrorist", "Al Qeida", Iraq, Taliban, 9/11, "WMD", etc. the GOP can basically do whatever it wants. A clear example is Iraq. We had no evidence of any WMD’s or terrorism in that country but with repeating it enough times without any criticism got the nation behind the idea of invasion. I have to say I am damn ashamed to be American based on our foreign policy.
13 July 2005, 19:40
It is never too late to catch a person up on lies. The daily lies of Bush are still being spun by every member of his cabinet, practically by every Republican Senator. Witness the Karl Rove lack of comment from the Bush people. There is no single reason for war...perhaps you must go back thousands of years when Early Empires were being built and people slaughtered for lies. Everything depends on everything else. Everything is connected. Search the annals of religious atrocities, the history of conquests, the ambitious warriors, and you will find blood-letting, killing and lies galore. People never seem to learn from history. Sociopaths will always be with us. Megalomania does not die out, except individually by guillotine or sword or arrow, and resurges anew, fresh as a daisy.
14 July 2005, 08:38
DOES GEORGE BUSH LIE?
Does shit stink?
Is the Pope Catholic?
Was Nixon a crook?
14 July 2005, 10:06
Erm, yes to all of above. But I will go further, Bush is also a crook like Nixon and according to Washington Post he stinks of shit as well.
Don’t think hes catholic though.
Catatonic maybe ?