June 30, 2004

Forum posts

• 29 June 2004, 20:16

  Good comment, because if you look, you will find the UN and the world, not just America are to blame for alot of the terrorism in the world today. You cannot simply look at America’s reaction, but the actions that led to terrorists, and the actions that led to America’s determination to fight terrorists.

  If all you look at is America’s reaction, you miss 3/4’s of the picture.
  You miss how the mistakes of the bodies you are calling on cemented the change in tactics and doctrine. And it explains why you have so drastically different a view point, because you have ignored the cause and effect, and simple looked at effect.

  Something to think about?

  While you rail against America’s actions, how would you have given the Shia’s religious, political and economic freedom? How would you have given the Kurds the right to exist?

  How would you have done anything more that condemn those that suffer to suffer because your own self interest prevents you from actually helping?

  Not some band aid and ointment, not some global effort so we can all pat each other on the back
  (Kosovo) but which really results in massacres and the creation of terrorist propaganda (if you are not aware of the importance of this to muslims, just ask, and I will tell you). Yes the UN, America, and the world helped, but our desire to help only within our own self interest resulted in inadequate force on the ground, which resulted in massacres, many of them done by christians to muslims. By being afraid to lose life to help others, by accepting that the negatives of action outway the positives, we created an atmosphere where militant islam could take root as the only true help for muslims.

  Think Kosovo, Somalia, Rwanda, Sudan, Chechnya, Indonesia. There are many more...

  These are things that you will not comment on. These are instances where the UN had as much if not more of a hand in watching massacres and creating terrorists as American foreign policy did.

  These are situations where if you take the logic of your criticisms, people are left to suffer and be oppressed for no reason. Unless the UN can get a backbone, for which we all pray, and for which America cannot be blamed. Because when you call for the UN to have backbone, you are really calling for Europe to have backbone. Because America contributes more to the UN’s backbone than any group of countries.

  Have fun living while others are condemned to dying for no reason.
  And by all means pray, because so much has and is coming out of it.

  Recognize the importanance of death for no reason.

  The people in Iraq are dying so that Iraq can have a chance to be what it should. A chance that the politics and wars of the 19th and 20th century left them without. A chance they deserve, and a chance the majority of Iraqis are embracing.

  A chance, you apparantly condemn.

  And the people in Iraq who are dying are not dying at the hands of the coalition or America.
  They are dying at the hands of so called muslims that, by the definition of Saudi’s, and many many Iraqis, and the majority of muslims, have gone insane and have lost their religion.

  But America isn’t doing it because we are saints (we tried that poll and it wasn’t popular), we are doing it because some Americans realize that in the long run, these problems need to be dealt with, otherwise it will be no better. The other Americans generally cannot see past tommorrow, and lack the critical thinking skills necessary to understand the complexity of the situation, and how to solve it.

  We left most of our idealism to bring freedom and democracy to the world at the graves of our sons, scattered throughout the free and unfree world. Like most everyone else, self interest is our motivator.

  I don’t hear any solutions, just criticisms. And for all the criticisms, their seems to be a pretty determined coalition of Americans, Europeans, Asians, Africans and Arabs all trying to ensure that Iraq succeeds.

  If America hadn’t acted, terrorists would still be recruiting, using Iraq as a rallying cry (whether or not we had liberated and occupied Iraq). Iraq is a cause for recruitment now and in the past (if you don’t know about it, ask, and I will teach you) but will it be in 5-10 years?
  Without any action that is a guarantee, yes, with action, that is a question. A question we can all help to anwer.

  My questions for you are these, who else do you condemn, or how long will you pray for the UN to save us?

  I’m not holding my breath, because if I had been, I would have died a long time ago...

  Mr. Clark, Long Island, NY