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9/11: WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html

By Nico Haupt
April 7, 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planehugger
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/planehuggers/message/4536

Definition of a planehugger
Definition of Planehuggers as submitted to the Planehuggers Yahoo Group (and as was at least twice deleted by Wikipedia) provided by Ray Antoky

Planehuggers is a recent political neologism that has been used on the World Wide Web frequently in newsgroups [1] and blogs.The term refers to those people in the 9/11 Truth Movement, also known as truthlings, who believe that real, full size commercial passenger jets or planes were used in the 9/11 event. There have been many serious researchers questioning the official account of 9/11 in the Truth Movement such as Morgan Reynolds, who feel they have proven that a real, commercial jet was not used at the Pentagon explosions nor were real passenger jets used at the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center. They make what they believe to be a credible case of inserted animation video (Computer-generated imagery)[2][..] and therefore refer to those in the 9/11 Truth Movement who cling to the original ’official story’ as huggers of planes or planehuggers since they embrace the aspect of the original story as delivered by the mass media of commercial jets being used to create the damage to the Pentagon and the Twin Towers and refuse to alter their thinking regardless of new analysis of evidence which proves that the original story was intentional disinformation![3]. The term is used somewhat derisively and sometimes linked to the concept of these ’planehuggers’ being disinformation agents. While some like to refer to these research people as espousers of 9/11 conspiracy theories, these researchers are merely presenting alternative hypotheses [4] to the official government story[5]which is in itself by definition a conspiracy theory . For additional information see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Alternative_theories_of_September_11%2C_2001_attacks.

Therapy Group for "Planehuggers": Planehuggers_anonymous

WTC Planehugger Therapy -FAQ:

1.What happened with the passengers?

There are many 9/11 researchers, who looked into this question already years ago, including myself.
A good starter is "an interview with Gerard Holmgren", which explains that the authenticity and credibility of the passenger list has to be questioned as well.
Fact is: Official records of passengers boarding the flight have never been released.
Fact is also: The official "list", not linked to any records, was scrubbed immediately from the internet within days after Sep11th and then only mirrored by CNN.
It also didn’t contain any Arabic names.
Fact is therefore, that the media published fake lists and passed them off as official.
Fact is also that official accounts do contradict each other, even with accounts where everyone officially died:
Dying twice on 9/11: Meet Titus Davidson

At Team8+ we also released:
UA vs. AA -the 9/11 Timeline ’screw-up’, an analysis which shows conflicting passenger numbers.

Also recommended:
Media Published Fake Passenger Lists (by Gerard Holmgren)
This research also later inspired 9/11 researcher Vincent Sammartino to look more into the Social Security Death Index and found other disturbing details.

2. Are you telling me, that these passengers never existed?

This is not the logical conclusion.
The logical conclusion must be, that these passengers never ’boarded’ the official flights "AA 11" and most probably not "UA 175"
If they entered any ’plane’, then it must have been aircraft related to and controlled by the real 9/11 perpetrators, but these aircrafts never arrived in NYC.

3. So what happened with the planes?

We have to distinguish between so called "stand-in" aircraft and "substitute" aircraft.
A "stand-in" aircraft could have been everything. Basically a cargo plane or a room disguised as an airplane�or most passengers never entered any commercial aircraft at all
and got picked up by trucks (etc..) and then killed somewhere else.
However for logistical reasons and simplification of the issue, let’s assume they entered a plane.
The majority most obviously even participated in a live "on the fly" terror exercise and therefore didn’t feel any suspicion as exercises were being conducted that day.
A deep research into the profile of the majority of these passengers suggests a close association with military, intelligence and high tech projects, and also Hollywood associations.
In this case they also could have been entered one of the substitute aircrafts, which had been tracked by FAA and military radar.
All other passengers might have been briefed "aboard" as "volunteers".
However these substitutes never arrived in NYC in time, as proven by FAA audio transcripts and military radar.
This is also documented at team8plus.org:

3a. So what happened with Flight 11?

To begin with, Flight 11 did not exist.
It wasn’t listed in the BTS database.
More on this at Why they didn’t use planes

4. What happened with Flight 175?

We looked thoroughly into this at Team 8+ as well.
Though UA 175 WAS listed in the BTS, there are conflicting records about the wheels-off-times, almost 20 minutes difference, in opposition to the official story.
Team8plus suggested different scenarios, including additional swaps:
In one case, the potential substitute was grounded in Cleveland, Ohio or Kentucky, possibly also at Reagan Airport, DC or nearby Indian Lake airports in the area of Pennsylvania.
Also plausible are groundings in Albany, NY.
In one ’wildcard� scenario another empty aircraft ("fly-by plane") was additionally chartered and parked over night in Newark Hanger, which had a fire incident on Sep 10th.
This ’plane’ could have flown to NYC, then flying very low above 5th Avenue, and continuing to fly and leaving the Manhattan area again, maybe also grounded or crashed into Fresh Kills.
This scenario isn’t linked to any passengers who were officially reported killed on or about Sep11th.

5. What about the cell phone talks?

It was impossible during 2001 that these cell calls could have been placed from high altitudes.
Here is a helpful analysis by Professor Michel Chossudovsky from the Centre for Research on Globalisation.
At Team8+ we also analyzed conflicting timeline reports of these alleged cell phone talks and the background of these passengers.

6. What about all these witnesses?

I refer to this counter entity against the video research at 16 CGIs which fooled the world, and also in a radioshow with 9/11 scholar member Webster Tarpley.

�Eye-witness� and �911-emergency call’ reports are contradictory, therefore useless and not strong enough at all.

Many "remote-control planehuggers" also do occasionally mention ex-FOX Mark Burnback and a woman in the Camera Planet footage, who reported both about either a "plane without windows" or "not an american airline_".
However it is obvious that the woman from the Camera Planet footage is ’talking back to the radio she is carrying’.
Also, what did Burnback really see?
And did he ever confirm that this object hit the South Tower?
See also "9/11 NY Aircraft ’Witnesses’" (04/07/06) at http://911closeup.com/nico/witness_contradictions.html

7. Is this website and research not discrespectful against all 9/11 family members?

The 9/11 research has irritated and hurt the feelings of many 9/11 family members since day 1.
9/11 Researchers are in too many conflicts of interests to decide from day to day what particular research might ’hurt’ or not.
They follow instead the general ethic thought of absolute truth and honor to the victims...

more at
WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html

Forum posts

  • The 9/11 Truth Movement has correctly distanced itself from the "no-planers", including Nico Haupt, Gerard Holmgren, and Rosalee Grable (The Webfairy). It is hurting the movement by making us all look like crazies and some have wondered if these three might be government plants.

  • You conspiracy theory people are fatuous idiots, to be redundant on purpose....
    There isn’t a shred of evidence to support your thesis and the creepy anti semitic
    French leftist ’Intellectual’ who wrote the initial book proposing this nonsense, with all of his spurious, outlandish
    claims that run counter to the eyewitness testimony of large numbers of onlookers has been completely debunked for his misleading lies.....
    I’m no Fan of the idiot president, George "Wrongway" Bush,
    and certainly his people tried to run with the political/operational opportunities presented by the attack, but
    it is granting them too much intelligence to believe they planned it..

    To proselytize this ridiculous message about Cheny/Bush’s
    supposed complicity in this catastrophe, with an active hand,
    is to believe that the United States is some sort of
    omnipotent magical power that personifies evil, If you believe in
    this sort of magical thinking you probably also believe in Roswell ET’s...
    What america is Is a haven for greedy, deluded, bungling
    business people from all over the world, but headed by
    old money american white men and robber baron tycoons ....but the very nature and specificity of their
    bungling should be instructive to you that this
    sort of thing would have been
    bungled by them and then leaked if they were behind it....
    Only a small group of fanatics
    would have been likely to pull this off
    ...ones that are suicidal.....
    Bush and Cheney may be zealots of a sort
    but for money not religion
    and they are not Suicidal....
    They would not run the
    risk of something like this
    being leaked, if it were indeed true, (which it is not),
    since the blowback from the public
    would result in them being
    tried for treason...
    they would not have the tyrannical persuasive
    control of the people to prevent this result,
    if such a thing were true, (which it is not).
    To lay the blame on these bunglers is just
    another way of wanting to believe
    that our country is all powerful
    that only an inside job could have
    forged the planning and execution of this Tragedy.
    ...the alternative is much scarier...
    that a few ragtag fanatics from
    throwback cultures could have
    brought about the kill ratio of theirs/to their targets
    that only America is supposed to be traditionally potent enough to pull off.

    • To each his own. You, for example are one of the "fatuous idiots" who believes the "conspiracy theory" that your government served you on a silver platter. Nineteen Arabs armed with box cutters hijacked and crashed four commercial airliners, killing and wounding several thousand people in the process. They achieved this feat, against all odds, by rendering FAA and NORAD emergency hijack response protocols ineffective, flew airplanes precisely to their targets despite the fact that they were not competent pilots, influenced government officials to decide to haul away all of the forensic evidence at the WTC in record time so that no meaningful examination of the debris could be made, and then contrived to have a presidential commission formed whose "investigation" and report made the Warren Commission findings look like God’s own truth, by comparison. Yes, there are conspiracy theories and then there are conspiracy theories, and when it comes to idiocy, the government’s "official" conspiracy theory has turned the gullibility of its believers into a virtue of gargantuan proportions.

    • Hi. I’m the (sole) author of September Clues. I am not an ’organization’ as stated on some website, ’socialservice’ is just my nick.

      I have been researching 911 for 5 years, utterly dismissing tv fakery for 4 useless years. I now regret using my video expertise much much earlier. I am now wondering : what is it with some truthseekers stance right now in not wanting to even consider the only existing, tangible and irrefutable proof of inside job that the computer imagery verdict has brought to broad daylight?

      Aren’t most 911 researchers now convinced that no plane hit thePentagon and that no plane crashed in Shanksville? Is it such a stretch of imagination to reach the logical conclusion that no planes were used at all? Why must flight 175 have been a remote-controlled 757 or any sort of military plane? - neither of them are as precise and reliable as laser-guided missiles which would guarantee penetration of the towers.

      Nobody close to the towers would have been able to catch on film a small, high-speed missile emerging from the smoke-plume of tower 1 for a split second. Anyone filming from, say, Hoboken, would only have videotaped a small, undiscernible dot.

      September Clues(part6) proves that TWO planes flew over Manhattan in almost exact synchronicity with the impact on tower2. These fly-overs were instrumental in creating eye-witnesses who would report seeing a plane. Please don’t ask me the worn-out "what about the passengers?"- question. That is for the perpetrators to answer. Why are investigators not finding passengers’ families?

      As for the TV footage, only three 2-second clips were shown live, of which only one was broadcast over and over again as the other two were miserably botched.

      The other clips (only about 35 of them) emerged only later, all of the ’planes’ depicted conflicting in any one of these fields : trajectory, angle, yaw, speed, geographical orientation, luminescence(mostly featureless or full black in direct sunlight) - but more importantly most of the TV footage (now available in high-res) betray the use of some sort of (imperfect) geo-referenced imagery/chroma-keying/masking.

      Thanks for your attention.
      In conclusion, the TV footage is the ultimate, only undebunkable smoking-gun the911 movement has to work with. Every other proof has been removed : Pentagon is reconstructed, Ground Zero rubble is gone, Shanksville is back to its original beauty. No one is going to prove the controlled demolition/the Pentagon lie/the Shanksville hoax, on the basis of conjectures. Yet hundreds-or thousands- of Americans have taped the fake images of that fateful morning and that is the ONLY solid proof that has been utterly impossible to remove from scrutiny.

      Thanks for your attention

      socialservice

      PS : Please, disagree with my views as much as you lke - by all means - but do not accuse me of disinfo - that is simply silly. If you wish to know a little more about me please read the announcement section on this page :
      www.livevideo.com/socialservice

    • Cmdr. Bob: I have personally been researching 9/11 for hours a day most days of the week from that day forward, sad but true. Like a great many of discerning minds I screamed "shenanigans" at first sight and was not fooled in the slightest. What had me in shock was the "live" clip broadcast on the idiot box showing the"plane" literally disappear into the building. I’m sorry in advance to the people who know little about physics and metallurgy but what I witnessed IS NOT POSSIBLE IN REALITY. Say no all you like, that is easy to do coming from that angle. I’m not here to hate like Dylan Avery (of Loose Change) and it beggars belief to hear the radio show between Killtown and he. Like I stated earlier, I’ve seen it all. The intense investigation using the documented TV "programming" fed to the masses that day is indeed the biggest smoking gun ever. To deny this is very easy, to debunk it however is beyond impossible. The excellent work in September Clues, also Genghis,Killtown and others MUST be understood. I knew only some of what they presented (and it is indeed the greatest gift) It is equivalent to taking the weapon from your enemy and turning it on them. What could be more perfect than that! The level of deception is indeed great and more than meets the eye until one can view(with an OPEN mind) and actually register what they are seeing, bypassing the filter of indoctrination and group think. The good works done by others should not be discounted in the slightest, in fact, much was learned by many because of their personal sacrifice. I believe what needs to be instigated is further study and debate perhaps not even publicly to iron out the discrepancy between what is and what is not. Falling into the trap of division is NOT progress, it’s O.K. to disagree but making enemies of ourselves gets us nowhere.