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A TIME FOR MUTINY?

by Open-Publishing - Thursday 1 June 2006
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Wars and conflicts USA

By Robert S. Finnegan
OP-ED
Southeast Asia News
05/31/2006

Haditha.

The United States Marine Corps was already on it’s last legs as an elite fighting force, our reputation sullied by the dishonorable and sometimes criminal actions perpetrated by bottom of the barrel Officers and Non-Commissioned Officers in Iraq. Now this. We are now observing the death throes of the oldest fighting force in America.

We had a good run, from November 10, 1775 to 2006. These dates may now be etched into the tombstone of an institution that has epitomized the meaning of the phrase "Duty, Honor, Country." Sure, we had our warts over the decades, but somehow our leaders throughout the many wars we fought managed to pull back from the brink and handle our problems internally. No more. From the Commandant on down, with this incident, this atrocity, the Corps has shown the world that it is now leaderless. The Marine Corps is now in the same league with the American Division in My Lai, Vietnam and a Lieutenant by the name of Calley. Murderers.

Prior to this war, we were trained to be killers, not murderers. We killed combatants, not women and children. Murder was not only not condoned, it was punished in the extreme as we envisioned ourselves as the "good guys" among the armed forces, at least when it came to helping and protecting civilians in the countries we fought in. In the not too distant past, Marines died assisting civilians, as we have since our inception. The CAP (Civil Action Patrol) program in Vietnam is a prime example of Marines helping civilians above and beyond the call of duty. This is but one example, one side of the Corps that didn’t see much ink. We took pride in our work. Many Marines died protecting civilians throughout our long history, and look at us now.

It would be easy to put the blame on the cowards, the evil bastards that inhabit the White House, Pentagon, and the "military-industrial complex" but the blame lays squarely on the shoulders of leadership of the Marine Corps, all the way from the neutered Commandant of the Marine Corps on down to the most junior Corporal. These individuals, the supposed backbone of the Corps, have allowed themselves to become whores for the present administration and our insane, born-again Commander-in-Chief and his band of criminals. America is not long for this world if these pukes and their robotic followers are somehow not stopped from unleashing WW III by invading Iran.

I believe that Marine Corps General Chesty Puller would have had the leaders of the debacle in Haditha Courts-Martialed and shot, and failing this remedy would have led his men in a mutiny. It is our duty as Officers and NCO’s to disobey illegal orders. The Corps has been ripe for mutiny for some time now and had we still leaders in our ranks, it surely would have happened in this illegal war, where illegal acts of war are now commonplace. The junior enlisted Marines who pulled the triggers on these civilians are not responsible for their actions. The orders come from above, the leadership, or what passes for it now. These are the individuals that are responsible, right up to the maggot that is our Commander-in-Chief.

If by some miracle we have military investigators and prosecutors who possess the integrity and courage to assure that the individuals responsible for this massacre are brought to trial under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, perhaps some of the stain of this crime will eventually be washed away.

As for the restoration of integrity and honor in Marine Corps, I believe it is too late.

Robert S. Finnegan is the Managing Editor of Southeast Asia News and a former Marine Corps Non-Commissioned Officer. He may be reached at seanews1@yahoo.com.

Forum posts

  • Arresting the senior officers...blah blah....court-martial...blah blah.
    No, and no again. Are there not enough american marines/soldiers with enough sense to step forward and arrest those at the white house..pentagon.?
    Remember Roumania????

    • No, your are to brain washed. Those who take honor in slaughter are the wrong guys for mutiny. The queer view on history, which is taught at school, never being responsible for anything. No, sorry, but the citizen in uniform doesn’t exist in America. And gee watch all these bad propaganda spread by almost bloodthirsty, unreflected American journalists reading the daily news.

      ...sad, but America is never going to change!

    • Okay, fine...lets all just continue to transmit pessimism if you think it will help matters. I was 12 when the Mai Lai massacre happened and didn’t really understand what was going on. I remember that there was an antiwar movement going on and that what was happening to the reputation of our leaders didn’t correspond to what we were taught in school... and if I’m not mistaken the public opinion had alot to do with our backing out of Vietnam.
      Nowadays we have access to all kinds of information and if we can sort it out maybe we can do effective things for the good of the world for once and maybe for all.
      Well, I’m glad to hear there was something like CAP back then. Mutiny?...why not. I hear about 3000 UK soldiers are AWOL so far. We citizens in the US could be supportive of such a thing. Lets do it in unison. Our brave consciencious objectors are few so far. If we uphold them publicly, loudly and often maybe it will make a difference for those who would like the courage and support for doing the same. Call me naive and a dreamer, but don’t make me a pessimist.

    • Finally, the Methodist church is going to start protecting consciencious objectors and military that go AWOL by giving them sanctuary at the churches.

      There is a new movie out called "Sir. No, Sir", about the military and the Vietnam war and how the soldiers took it into their own hands to help stop the maddness of the tragic and immoral war in Vietnam....Everyone should go and see this movie, especially if you are in the military, or thinking about going into the military, or if you are just trying to find out some history about the Vietnam war....the way this country re-writes history, I am sure the schools do not teach the truth about that disgusting war and the criminals in the U.S. government who started it.

  • What a handful of Marines did to a couple dozen civilians in Iraq, George W. Bush did to the entire nation — therein lies the problem.

    George W. Bush, worse than Saddam
    http://santacruzcomicnews.com/cartoons/-weekly/2006/0531/mylai/03.shtml#maintop

    BenAMarine

  • Marine Corps on it’s last legs? Other branches of the service are trying to follow the Corps lead tactically. This news is just drummed up by the socialist liberals...

    • To 67.238: Yeah, yeah, that’s intelligent. Blame everything on the ’socialist liberals’. Dumb fuck, what do you think our Federal Government is, a bastion of free market capitalism? Your Republican Party is nothing but a socialist party of the worst kind, a fascist party, a party that uses the Federal Government to subsidize not the poor, but the Military Industrial Complex.
      Here’s an example:Halliburton has won over 12 NO-BID contracts from the Federal Government since the invasion of Iraq, contracts that will eventually enrich this enormous conglamerate with hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars. How on earth can anyone call the award of any NO-BID contract an example of a free market in action?
      All of you Republicans are disgusting hypocrites: you pretend to believe in a free market but allow the Federal Government to control to our economy; you have no idea what it means to be a FISCAL Conservative since your Party has been ruling the White House for 17 of the last 25 years and in that interval the national debt has increased 8 times and the size of the Federal Government has more than quadrupled; & you have no moral code to speak of, since you believe that invading and occupying a nation that never attacked the US is a form of ’defending our freedom’. To top it off, your trust in a demented President is so perverted that you allow him to defecate over our Constitution, without a whimper of protest. This isn’t trust, this is moral and intellectual COWARDICE, a total surrender of the core values that made our country great. Please tell me, 67.238, why are you stupid fucks so in love with this corrupt pathological liar you call the ’Leader of the Free World’?

  • 12.168: "...you have no moral code to speak of, since you believe that invading and occupying a nation that never attacked the US is a form of ’defending our freedom’."

    The Democratic Clinton Administration launched a war against a country that never attacked the U.S. (Yugoslavia.) This makes Clinton and many of his cronies war criminals.

    At least 500 civilians were killed during the aerial bombing. Including more than 200 children.

    Critical infrastructure was destroyed that resulted in many more deaths of innocents.

    The same administration also attacked Iraq.

    So tell me 12.168...

    When it comes to having a good moral code...

    How are the Democrats any better?

  • 12.168: When asked on US television if she [Madeline Albright, US Secretary of State] thought that the death of half a million Iraqi children [from sanctions in Iraq] was a price worth paying, Albright replied: “This is a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it.”

    She really has a great moral code eh?

    • To 69.53: You are indeed a stupid fuck. Where in any of my blog commentaries do I say that I’m a Democrat or Clinton supporter? I use words like ’Federal Government’ and the US power structure to convey my belief that the US ’two’ party system as an ILLUSION. Both parties are bought and paid for by the same world conglomerates, the same world central banks, more than 80% of all current Congressmen and women have been lobbyists and the majority of the rest have been corrupted by lobbyists. The few remaining will be rewarded by becoming highly paid lobbyists. You call that a working democracy dedicated to the middle class? Get fucked!
      FYI: I am a Libertarian and have been for 16 years, capice? A pox on both houses, 69.53 since they are really one house with two wings. One wing of vultures preaches to the left, the other wing preaches to the right, but both wings become more wealthy and more powerful at our expense, therefore those who vote for either one of them are utter fools, capice?
      Kosovo was merely a dress rehearsal for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and I didn’t believe in Clinton’s reasons for it at the time, nor in the so-called ’liberal’ media’s endorsement of this same unwarranted attack. But still, how does the Clinton Administration’s excesses excuse the excesses and lawlessness of this godforsaken Bush White House? No, answer, right? You mean to tell me that we should not apprehend criminals merely because we failed to apprehend criminals who committed the same crimes in the past?
      What kind of amoral thinking is that? Not to mention RETARDED thinking. Is that your version of justice? GET A BRAIN, for the LOVE OF CHRIST!
      God, how I despise people like yourself. You and your kind are nothing but hypocrites. And here’s why:
      People like yourself 69.53 still believe in this bullshit puppet show, LEFT vs. Right. This high-tech wrestling match produced by our mass media at behest of our Federal Government is all goddamned horseshit designed to distract the confused and the ignorant from their real problems and the root causes of those problems. YOU, like so many repugnant Repukables, think the world and its politics are all part of one giant football game, where you score so many points for the ’opposing’ teams. Here’s a running score for you bozos: "Fitz didn’t indict Rove, that’s minus 5 points to the Left, Laura Bush is hiding away in the Mayflower because her husband has been pounding Candy Rice, minus 10 points to the Right".
      You spend your time keeping track of this ridiculous scoring, while the world is burning all around you. YOU don’t care to address the truth, therefore you don’t care to solve difficult problems, therefore you and your ilk have a lot to do with maintaining this false circus you call American politics. YOU find it more important to sling shit than to find out the truth. This is why I call all of you who continue to believe in this illusion of a two party system, who continue to believe in this controlled, fantasy ’democracy’, STUPID FUCKS, or more precisely, self-important, clueless hypocrites.

      The real enemy is the power structure which both parties uphold. And the main reason why they continue to grow in power is because STUPID FUCKS like your self still believe in that false Wizard, the US Federal Government, no matter how many times the curtain has blown away.
      By the way, how much do you know about Diebold machines, 69.53?
      Probably that’s a ’loony left wing’ conspiracy too, huh? You are indeed a STUPID FUCK!

      Of course by writing this last statement, you’ll forget that I’m a libertarian and far from being a leftist. You’ll continue to believe in the Punch and Judy show, and flay out at me as another ’loony’ leftist, me, a person who doesn’t believe in either wing of corrupt vipers you continue to gravitate to. What a bad memory you have, stupid fuck.

  • Robert S Finnegan is a coward hiding behind the veil of anonymity of the Internet.

    By piercing that veil, we see an entirely different person.

    Unless he call the room with his computer "Indonesia" he is not there. He posts his articles from a home in Freemont California. Don’t believe me? send him an email. when he replies take a look at the email headers. use www.samspade.org to assist in the analysis. (Hint the emails come from a Comcast Network)

    This self-important crusader for the first amendment is a hypocrite. Don’t believe me? send him an email questioning his article, see the response you get. It will likely be vulgar, and he will call you names like "Nazi", etc.

    I feel bad for this poor misguided soul. While he may have served in the Marine Corps, evidence suggests that he did not serve in the capacity he claims.

  • Mr. Finnegan:

    You are not only an embarassment to The United States of America...........but also an embarassment and insult to Marines past, present and future. Stand down and please stop letting your wallet run your mouth!

    Sharon Sederwall
    Quincy, IL 62305

    • Listen Idiot,
      You are just like the rest of the Communist Liberal Left, and the Liberal Media - Always running your mouths before you have all the facts.
      Why are you in my USA if you hate it so much?
      Why not just pack your shit and move OUT OF THE USA?
      But NO! You would rather try to destroy this country. Just like your cronies - Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton and the rest.
      Try going to another country and running your mouth and see what happens to you.
      If it wasn’t for our Military, You sure wouldn’t be able to have your say here.
      You call yourself a Marine? You scumbag - It wouldn’t surprise me if My Marine Corps threw you out DISHONORABLY - BUT at least they didn’t shoot you - although in my opinion they should have for TREASON.
      Just leave.

      Greg Wilson
      Burlington, NJ 08016
      USMC

    • Greg,

      You see in other countries called democracies, people are also allowed to speak their mind, freedom of speech, freedom of the press. Maybe not in the countries where Marines are normally deployed, I’ll grant you. But America is not the only place that experiences these freedoms.

      What is destroying our country is having a president, a decider, who ignores our laws, ignores the constitution,(unless it suits him) ignores the Geneva conventions, ignores over 750 laws that his own party passed, (subverting them by use of a presidential signing statement.) And our country is also being destroyed by a so called liberal press (what a hoot, that one) that ignores the president who is breaking all these fundamental aspects of our democracy (yours and mine) which are spelled out in the constitution. By declaring a neverending world wide war on terrorism, even though "fact were fixed to fit the policy," he’s made himself a dictator, or a king if you prefer. You see Greg, it’s bullshit.

      I have posed this question to military personnel before: If the president is subverting the constitution, do you go with your duty to your commander in chief or with your oath to preserve protect and defend the constitution. That’s a moral dilemma that each and every one of you have to face right now, because clearly, the president is the most dangerous threat to our national security. Would you be willing to eliminate U.S. citizens in this country who were using their first amendment rights in a patriotic effort to defend the constitution (against the USA Patriot Act or illegal wire tapping, or future illegal wars of aggression, for example) if ordered to do so by the chain of command.? That is what very well may be at stake during your military career.

      I support the troops, that’s why I want them the hell out of this unconscionable,illegal war of agression. I respect people willing to risk their life for an ideal, so I respect the troops. However, for "the decider", the one risking, losing and ruining the lives of tens of thousands of Americans, and millions of others abroad, who was an AWOL pantywaste cokefiend in the alabama Guard during Vietnam which was why he missed his physical, I ain’t got no respect. He’s a treasonous bastard who should be tried for war crimes by an international tribunal, but at the very least he should exit the office in disgrace in all haste.

      Michael
      U.S. civilian.

    • Typical jarhead who doesn’t know his left from his right. The next time your helper turns your computer on for you, tell him to direct you to the right, not the left.

      Semper Stupidus!

    • Sharon, the marines embarrass themselves....they have commited countless atrocities and they are guilty of mass murder....if Jesus appeared tomorrow, what do you suppose he would think of people who are willing to take guns and bombs and torture rooms to a country armed with rocks and sticks and innocent victims unable to defend themselves????? You expect that Jesus Christ will appear at any time, how do you think he will judge you and the people who are doing the killing for the oil barons?????

    • For 68.26: The US Military is now a giant goon squad, ready to subjugate and
      control the population of the US, all in the name of ‘freedom’, a word which they
      bandy about with great relish but without any real understanding of its meaning.
      Far from defending our Freedom, Jarhead, you are helping to destroy it.

      Henry Kissenger, a past relic you probably admired,
      once said in confidence that the military were
      ‘all dumb, stupid animals to be used as tools’. This may sound like a
      very harsh statement, but it is very true nonetheless.
      Tools are to be used by the powers that be, and in a democracy,
      the people wield the power, not the military.
      Tools are ordered to do what they are told; freemen do what
      they must by following their own consciences and not
      some powerful figure’s mandates.

      Therefore you and the rest of the military aren’t responsible for our freedom,
      we the people are. You, jarhead, are a tool, incapable of thinking independently and not a free man at all. You people in the military are no more responsible
      for our freedom than any tank, missile, submarine,
      or any other inanimate object we the people have used to protect ourselves,
      so don’t think for a moment that your voice or opinion
      matters more than any other American’s other wise we will have
      to listen to the opinions of tanks, bullets and aircraft as well.

    • You military types are incredibly bombastic and quite often
      over-estimate your roles in the military, pretending to be
      some kind of warrior class, when in reality you are all
      nothing but assembly workers, cogs in a machine, easily
      replaced with another rural, ignorant youth who
      still believes he will live forever.
      So get off of your high horse, Jarhead.
      You are no warrior. You are merely a tool to be
      used by others far more powerful than you.

  • Mr Finnegan

    Your comments are only protect by the marines.

    I am glad you are so political that you do not even bother getting the entire story.

    I will write more later but for know know this

    The marines are the best thing the world has. and they are getting better.

    signed

    Jeffrey Jansen

    quincy IL 62301

  • Marines have died, are dying, and will die for you to have the right to slander us. We WILL protect that right for our next 230 years. Enjoy the rights given to you by the blood of others.

    Semper Fi (Always Faithful, in case you’ve forgotten.)

    Jamie Lang

    • Blow it out your ass.....marines go to foreign countries to hunt humans....if they get killed it is because they deserve it....now they are engaged in murdering innocent people who have never done one thing to Americans.....they are not defending anything....they are helping a bunch of oil barons rob that country blind.....and for $8.50 per hour....these assholes are too stupid to hold real jobs.

    • NO NEED for using this kind of language on any Armed Force.Marines as well as Army or Navy and Air Force etc. are there because they were given orders to go by their commanding officers. And their commanding officers were given orders by higher ups. I know lot of this soldiers love going to experience the real war but those are only a few compared to all those that know they have to go because they have to accept the orders given them.like in all the world there r good and bad people . and the Armed Forces are no better in having people that give their group a bad name by doing things that go beyond their duty.And also a lot of this men and women join the Armed Forces because that is the only jobs available to support their families. So do not down this soldiers that are putting their life on the line for all here in the USA as well as for people in other countries.What you should do is get down on your needs and pray and give thanks to your God that you are still alive to enjoy this country. Pray for all the men and women that have to go because they r given orders.. My son went to Iraq. when he came back he said "I do not want a parade, i do not want recognition. I did not go to a party, I did not go to celebrate. What I experienced there is nothing to brag about.
      To see all that I saw is nothing to come home and talk about as if it was a pleasant experience.War is hell. and it is nothing to brag about."
      So next time think before you write trash about all the American men and women that are there fighting for the freedom of the world if given a chance. I am proud of all the men and women that are there fighting for freedom I am blessed because of all the men and women that have sacrificed their lives for us. Even in the White House we the voters make mistakes and choose the wrong people for office. Who is at fault for this? Not the voter but the person elected who uses lies to get into office and then destroy the faith of the American people.

      Virginia Diaz

    • Virginia,

      I appreciate your sentiments, however most of us that are angry about the war don’t believe we are over there fighting for freedom. Check the profitabiity of Haliburton for starters. If you recall this was about WMD which turned out to be a total fabrication. America would have never supported Bush if he said before the attack in March 2003, we are going to liberate the Iraqi’s because Saddam is a despot. And that is not the reason we are there. Haliburton is building the largest military instilation in the world in Baghdad. We are there for the oil, for the power, for Cheney’s cronies in the war machine, to support Israel, and as an excuse to rob the treasury. It’s all a lost cause, and our status in the world is terrible. If you are going to pray, pray for an end to the nightmare. They died for a lie, time to face facts

    • Virginia Diaz,

      People who voluntarily join the armed forces have agreed in theory and in practice, when deployed, that they will kill people and break things. This is the sole purpose of an armed force. Their commitment to do these things is no different than the one a sanitation worker makes to haul away garbage, or a surgeon makes to perform surgery, or a butcher makes to slaughter animals and carve up their carcasse, etc., etc.

      If a person joins a branch of the armed forces to better his or her life, or to get an education, or to wear a spiffy uniform is incidental to the core commitment that he or she makes, which is to kill people and break things on command. I don’t feel sorry for the all-volunteer United States armed forces.

      The argument that these volunteers are being used to prosecute an unjust, illegal or immoral war does not diminish this commitment. And, if they should begin to view their roles as pawns in an unjust, illegal, or immoral war, there is always desertion as an option of last resort. You make your bed, you sleep in it, or you find another bed.

    • Thank you for your response. But I am still saying that it is the high political officials who lie to get their way into office. once there they pretty much put all their lies into practice. And the truth shall come out. I am still proud of all the armed forces that are ready to fight for freedom., My son is not a killer of women and children. He is a Marine and I am proud of his choice .And so is my other son. Both went to war. One went to Desert Storm , the other for Freedom for Iraq. And I am damn proud of both.God brought them both home safe.
      Whatever the reason for the high political officials have for making a war will pay dearly for this. No one leaves this world without paying for their sins. That is why God made the circle of life.What goes around comes around. Cast the first stone if you have no sins. We are afterall mere human beings, put on this earth to make a better world. But there r those who live on greed and are users of the rest of us.May God bless you and your beliefs and may He give you the chance to repent before you die. That is mostly what you have to worry about at this time.Leave the Armed forces to do what has to be done. Without them we would not have what we have now.
      SEMPRE FI!!!

    • Virginia,

      So when you say we have what we have now thanks to the Military, don’t you mean we have what we have taken from others. I’m thankful for abundance, but we have a long history of reaming others to fill our coffers. We are 5% of the world population consuming over 50% of its resources. Thank you for your blessing, but I don’t feel the need to repent. Blessings to you too

      Michael

    • dont forget about all the school the armed forces built the new roads the new water and electric plant that have not been in operation in over twenty years. dont forget about all the food and supplies they provide. the army has men and women helping plant food and how to farm. the marines and airforce have architechs and mechanics. showing and teaching how to build and work on engines.

      these men in there hearts did not agree or disagree to kill or destroy in fact they are helping build and rebuild and make better.

      Jeffrey Jansen Quincy IL

    • Dream on....and once upon a time there was a good "Christian" named George, and God whispered in George’s ear that he should be the president of the U.S.A., and then God said "George, you need to attack Iraq and tell everyone some whoppers about WMD so they will go along with you", and "the people of Iraq will greet your soldiers with flowers and gratitude", and "the war will be over in about 6 weeks", ....the good news about God’s and George’s Iraq adventures...

      Dumb shit, in case you haven’t heard, oil production, water, electricity production, schools, all are still below pre-war levels (after almost 4 years), and unemployment is about 70%, with most of the jobs being work for the U.S.A........will you repukes ever stip lying?

    • Semper...or Simp....your little bastards did help kill innocent women and babies and you know it....all of that drivel about how others will pay for their sins shows what a morally bankrupt empty headed moron you are....and the fact that your little bastards went in the military is the proof.

    • Glad your comment admit your are uneducated. Keep the lies alive. just because you like being a slave to the media

  • In reply to all the slander and to all the gloryfing, here is my comments,

    for those of you who wish to slander the marines and the united states my comments to you are if you are from the United states dont speak till you actually go over to the other side of the world for yourself. dont believe just one news show or what some disgruntle american has told you. Unless you see if for yourself in which case only about 3% percent of you ever will your comments mean nothing to anyone who has actually been over seas to see what a dictatorship or a socialistic government can be.

    Instead of trashing go read a history book best example use western civilization. The entire world has been at odds with every single issue and every single nook and cranny. so you understand what i am saying. It is better to do something then nothing at all. No one is a killer yet we all are. no one can force are hand but fear sure can. For the most part the other countries not all have been fighting for thousands of years. It does not matter what resoures the US has or its allies some not all of these other countries have not stopped fighting since the beging of time.

    For the people or persons that use religion or Jesus christ good on you glad you have something to fall back on but true history does not help your cause out either. read all the different religions or the old testement or the Islamic beliefs there was a angry god in all of them that was no better then a dictator. Get right to the point the very first religions that we have found to this day The women was the one being worshiped. Heck we have newe info from the dead sea scrolls know.

    For the left wing without a military other countries would and can at this present moment would invade and take all your freedoms aways from you, why would they do that you ask? They dont care they never had any freedoms to see what attrosities they my encounter. The story of planet earth is power. if you do not controll then someone else will control.

    Know for the die hard right, why is it that we have to fight and kill just to be number one. We dont and over time we have learn to talk and negotiate alot for our country, granted there is a time to pick up arms and there is a time to defend those appressed. In the USA no matter what anyone says the government no matter what view points anyone has or how bad things have gotten or we are all going to die or all going to get nuked. wait that is right I woke up this morning and another day was hear. our government is for the people by the people and written with the people.

    Now ask yourself this why has no americans other then oklahoma caused any terror attacks in the United States. Because some where down the road we all get along. If the fighting was here none of you would be writing any of this.

    Your opinions are great and I find them fascinating, I even looked several of the arguements up and found dead ends everywhere.

    fact is right know the united states is the best thing there is, we are help in other countries our government though not perfect is doing there best and if we dont like it we vote in the next election. We are safe here.

    read the article and listen and watch the new correctly and you will see there where wmds found just not in the conditions people are let on to believe if one piece is in a different sight ten feet away it is not classified as a nuke.

    But like I said dont trash the marines for doing there Jobs or the army or navy. or coast guard or national guard. they know what they are doing and they are doing a great job. all those torture chambers and prisons where already there and they have more weapons then we do. for the person that says they had rocks and sticks. dont forget the talibaun beat the soviet union then took a turn for the worste.

    like I said get the facts first. and yes my spelling and grammer is really bad sorry about that.

    everyone out there have a great day. Good luck marines Sempi Fi God speed

    and thank you for keep the USA Free and safe. so that my kids and everyone in the US have the security to walk to there mail box and get the mail without being shot or blown up.

    Jeffrey Jansen
    Quincy IL 62301

    • Blow it out your ass Jeffery! Take your preaching back down to the braindead at your church, they probably care what you think.

    • One thing is for certain, Jeffrey Jansen, the American education system has failed you badly. Do you speak the way you write? If so, do you find people staring at you in utter incomprehension? You are in desparate need of remedial English. And, if it weren’t for the fact that you hail from Illinois, one would think that your "comments" were originally written in another language and, then, run through the Babelfish translator.

    • Good job Jeff! Obviously a couple of the misanthropes on this blog have no idea what it is like to work 16 to 18 hours a day like you do and then try to come to a pitiful anti-American site like this and try to type with your eyes half closed! It is soooooooo easy for them to hide behind a computer and IP address and I notice that none of them have the American Pride that WE do nor the guts and fortitude to sign their name and city! Chicken shits!

      Sharon Sederwall,
      Proud American
      Independent Voter
      Proud George Bush Supporter
      Proud United States Armed Forces Supporter

      http://www.USofA.homestead.com/AmericanPride6.html

    • Sharon Sewer...Proud Dumbshit....independent voter (like we believe that Republican like lie).....go troll somewhere else...maybe goarmy.com or GOP.com....you s and m pervert.

    • Oh and Sharon Sewage...if this site is so pathetic....why does someone so morally superior keep coming here?

  • Well, well. Quite a dust-up. Good. It was intended to be so.

    For clarification on this "fraud" journalist who hides behind the internet, one only has to contact The Jakarta Post at www.thejakartapost.com and speak to either Endy Bayuni or Raymond Touran to establish my credentials there, or just Google Finnegan+Robert+Southeast Asia News. I have been a print photojournalist for over 15 years and my work is available on any search engine.

    I am in Amerika now for medical treatment. My home is in Indonesia, and I made this clear, as if it makes any difference.

    It is amazing how simple-minded individuals manage to completely avoid the issue while leveling personal attacks on free speech not to their liking. And yes, it does remind me... no, IT IS Nazi behavior. Heil Bush!

    I am leaving my Amerikan contact information below. Give me a call or drop a line and we will "discuss" it.

    Glad you enjoyed the OP-ED. You will love the next one.

    Regards -

    Robert S. Finnegan
    USMC
    Managing Editor
    Southeast Asia News
    seanews1@yahoo.com
    (510) 797-1481 (US)