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Israel Using The Extremists As An Excuse To Avoid Negotiations

by Open-Publishing - Sunday 9 July 2006
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Israel Using The Extremists As An Excuse To Avoid Negotiations
Gwynne Dyer, Arab News
Sunday, 9, July, 2006

The Europeans have rediscovered their backbones. “The EU condemns the loss of lives caused by disproportionate use of force by the Israeli Defense Forces and the humanitarian crisis it has aggravated,” said Finnish Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen, whose country holds the EU’s rotating presidency, on Friday. The Swiss were even blunter, condemning what Israel is doing in the Gaza Strip as “collective punishment,” which is contrary to the Geneva Conventions.

It won’t change anything on the ground, and both the EU and Switzerland can expect the usual torrent of abuse from American sources for daring to criticize Israel. But Israel’s actions in the past two weeks, since an attack on a military outpost left two Israeli soldiers dead and one a prisoner in the hands of Palestinian militants, have clearly “violated the principle of proportionality,” as the Swiss put it. On Thursday, for example, the death toll was one Israeli soldier and 23 Palestinians, close to half of whom appear to have been unarmed civilians.

Cpl. Gilad Shalit, the soldier who was taken hostage, is no more to blame for the mess he inherited than any other 19-year-old Israeli or Palestinian, and he certainly does not deserve to die. But it is hard to see how blowing up the Gaza Strip’s main power generating station, or arresting eight Cabinet ministers and 34 legislators of the democratically elected government of the occupied Palestinian territories in simultaneous night raids on their homes, furthers the cause of Cpl. Shalit’s freedom. There is no sense of proportion here.

The Israeli government has not accidentally stumbled into the plot of a stupidly sentimental Hollywood movie called “Saving Cpl. Shalit.” It isrun by men and women with decades of experience at navigating the shoal waters of Middle Eastern politics - people who think strategically, and who fully understand the complex relationship between an elected Palestinian government that doesn’t carry out terrorist attacks, and related but semi-autonomous militant organizations that do. They understand it because it was part of Israeli history, too.

Sixty years ago, when the Jews of British-ruled Palestine were an unrecognized proto-state under foreign military occupation, they had respectable political and military organizations like the Jewish Agency and the Haganah (the militia self-defense force that ultimately became the Israeli Defense Forces).

They also had brutal terrorist organizations like Irgun and the Stern Gang, who killed both British soldiers and the Palestinians who had a rival claim to the land without compunction. The legitimate organizations did not control the illegitimate ones, but there were constant contacts between them.

The Palestinian Authority’s relations with the current crop of terrorist outfits is very similar. Hamas, the militant Islamic party that won the Palestinian elections last January and subsequently formed a government, has observed a self-imposed cease-fire with Israel for more than a year. Its “military wing,” a largely separate organization, has not, nor have various other radical groups whose main goal is to discredit mainstream Palestinian organizations that want a negotiated settlement with Israel.

Israel’s past offers enough parallels that its government should and probably does understand that it has a choice: To ignore the extremists and talk about some kind of peace deal with the mainstream - or to use the extremists as an excuse not to talk to the mainstream either. It has chosen the latter option, and the current, vastly disproportionate Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip are the evidence for it.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has big plans for imposing a “peace settlement” and new frontiers on the Palestinians - frontiers that will keep all the bigger Jewish settlement blocks (plus all of Jerusalem, of course) within Israel. International political correctness requires that he negotiate this with the Palestinians, but he knows perfectly well that they could never agree to such a terrible deal. Why should they? So he must find a way of demonstrating that negotiations are impossible. That is what this is really about. Cpl. Shalit is a convenient casus belli, but if it hadn’t been him it would have been something else. The objective is to destroy the elected Palestinian government led by Hamas.

As President Bush said, “We support democracy, but that doesn’t mean we have to support governments elected as a result of democracy.” Olmert knows that destroying the Hamas government will not bring the “moderates” back to power. It will just create a power vacuum in the occupied territories that will be filled by all kinds of crazies with guns. Ideal circumstances for carrying out Olmert’s plans, wouldn’t you say?

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  • Those WHO "THINK" they are RUINING Israel ARE using the oldest STUPIDist MALE mind control trick their is. IT IS CALLED an EXCUSE not to GET along with your BROTHER because YOU HAVE the PSYCHOLOGICAL NEED to BLAME and use the BLAME to retain CONTROL OVER THE SITUATION.

    This lack of MOVING on within the context of human events is a mark of a PERSON that is IMMATURE and whos POWER is BASED on SUBVERSION of INFORMATION and the PRESENTATION of APPEARANCES in a MIND CONTROLING MEDIA to CREATE the ACTING EFFECT that is NEEDED to DESTROY the COLLECTIVE INDIGINOUS PEOPLE of the REGION.

    This old tried and tested method of bullSHIT is a failure and will result and is RESULTING in a WEAKENING of the POWER based of bribary and LIES that the System of lies is BUILT on. You see the ancient patriarcal system of mind control through FEAR and PUNISHMENT of BEHAVIORS beyond the comfort Zone of the Liars is FADING. Their is a MASSIVE unreported PEACE movement around the world and especailly in Israel as Jews who have any connection to the TRUTH and the reality of the DESIRE to live in peace are many and the mind control of the military is WEAKING and FADING.

    This is the end of the mind control regime of those that use the FEAR oriented money system of the ancient patriarchs to Control and define the lifes of others in relation to their desire to LIE and use money and LIES to Mind Control the world through such as system.

    When the children of this generation stands up in total revolt to those that hold Power by the lies in Israel and the hiding behind the religion of Judaism to conduct the bussiness of human destruction, racism and making peaceful coexistance imposible until their mental delusions are realized so they can PROVE their POWER to the world. The DESTRUCTIVE POWER of MONEY and LIES.

    It is their last days of deceiving the world with this devisive system of money changing and mind controling system of human expression that frankly the world is getting very tired of. No decent human with some respect for truth and human dignity among all people can say that this is something that should go on --- In fact it is an exposure of their very weakness and that their lack to have a DESIRE to LIVE IN PEACE and PROMOTE it IN THEIR VERY ACTIONS — DO THEY REPRESENT those of a truly chosen people? One that is based on the power of the creator of the UNIVERSE! — Not the current decisions — Those reflect a lack to listen and to forgive - both PREREQUISITES of PEACE!
    And this world will be soon ruled by PEACE! It is no longer possible to carry on like this. They next step to demonstrate power is TOTAL destruction to demostrate this through collective punishment which is a reflection of a DELUDED mind which would use such a psychotic behavior to MAKE A POINT. This point will cost them their collective respect and reputation in the WORLD. And when that happens the entire system of deception in the world will FAIL!

  • Gwynne Dyer,hello.
    I don’t know how accurate you are in this conflict.But I would like to piont out that Since Israel gave up The Gazastrip 10 months ago, we have seen rockets EVERY day, coming in to Israel from Gaza.I am a resident of a town called Sderot.Me and my fellow citizen have not had a single day without fear from those rockets.
    Please, do understand both sides of this conflict.Hamas could stop these fireing whenever they want. If my kids can’t go out and play, why should their children have that choice?

    • You speak as if you represent the collective suffering of anybody. If you have lived in any conflict and lost part of your body or family as I have you would know HOW INSANE what YOU ARE SAYING SOUNDS. Come back and SPEAK when you have lost part of your BODY or a loved one that you saw die. GUNS VOILENCE are not solutions THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. Because anyone that PROMOTES the idea of enemies is either in love with the POWER trip of voilence for control or is mentally ill in EITHER CASE they SHOULD not posses weapons.

      The reality of the situation is the fact that the only side we hear is ABOUT the Suffering of the Israelies. They are the ones with all the money and guns. With their WEALTH the RESPONSIBLITY FALLS ON THOSE THAT CLAIM rights to LAND to work out the PEACE with those that ALREADY possesed the LAND before 1947.

      Otherwise what you say is based on a total LIE!

      Look if someone DRIVES a BULDOZER over your HOME and kills your abilities to SURVIVE their is NOT much else but to DO what has been done... What other options has their actions left the indiginous people?

      In addition the state propaganda states all this great stuff about democracy and justice and citizen ship and RIGHTS of HUMANS but it is the ISRAEL state that HAS the NUCLEAR BOMBS and massive military — WHAT does that say about their REAL intentions!

    • Tit for Tat Israeli style....1 dead Israeli = 100 dead Palestinians....No MENTION OF THE FACT THAT THE PALESTINIANS LAND WAS STOLEN AND THEY LIVE UNDER TOTAL CONTROL OF THE OCCUPIERS IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS THAT WOULD MAKE HITLER SO PROUD OF WHAT THEY LEARNED.

    • You are an idiot, seriously. That’s a completely stupid comparison and you should be ashamed. Palestinians aren’t round up, gassed, shaved, or even patrolled. They had the opportunity to stop terrorist attacks from within their populated borders and they did not. Hamas enjoyed seeing Israelis killed, terrorised or injured, while keeping a nice little buffer between them and the militant groups, whom they have an obvious connection to. To compare the Israelis to Hitler is disgusting. You are disgusting.

      Oh, and the UN created Israel, condemn them if you want for "stealing Palestinian land". Note: The Palestinians didn’t own the land. The Ottoman Empire and then the British Mandate did, as well as absentee Arab landlords who SOLD THE LAND TO BARON ROTHSCHILD AND OTHER RICH JEWS. I CAN USE CAPS TOO, EXCEPT I DON’T SPREAD DISGUSTING HATEFUL PROPAGANDA WHILE DOING SO.

      You disgust me. Have you learned nothing from what the Holocaust was?

    • First you are using standard propaganda techniques. Since you did not address any of the points made directly but went on to attack using the standard old line principle of being the "victim". The only real victim hear is your BRAIN. and the lack of common SENSE.

      You see the use of voilcene by either side is WRONG. It is also wrong to bring in a completely unrelated topic like the HOLOCAST since that is not the issue here unless you want to start discribing what is being done in the name of the state as JUSTIFIED - then the same would have to apply logically to any state that can manipulate public opion and figure that the sheep are too stupid to understand the mind control tricks you are using. In addition the return of the so-called JEWS to the PROMISED Land is a promise made to ISRAELITES NOT Judah tribe only - as that is what constitutes most of modern orthodoxy today in Israel which is NOT based on the TORAH but on the PRATICAL application of TALMUD which resulted from the single one tribe of Judah being in captivity in Babylon and from their ADOPTED Babylonian Talmudism which is NOT part of the PROMISES made to MOSES - thus your entire point as far as a religious state is totally in question. IN addition the witness given by Jesus Christ to the Babylonian practices Pharisitical PARTY (which was a POLITICAL PARTY-NOT A RELIGION) was given in the Gospel of John in relation to circumcision which is the marking of the Juda Males which was instituted by the Rabi and NOT by MOSES to whom the Promise of LAND was made.

      Thus from a LEGAL (LAW GIVING argument ) point this practice itself shows that the practice contains articles which were specifically NOT given in the ORGINAL discourse to MOSES by the Tetragramoton G*D YHVH but was adaptations which also included the synagoge which is also not PRESCRIBED in the original work from YHVH. Thus this entire adaptation of the Israelite religion of YHVH is in question as to authenticity and thus was questions by Christ and has been question by many rabbiical scholors and those that see TORAH and the pointing of it toward a PEACE oriented MESIAH of TRUTH as being more in line with what is the accurate inturpretation of what YHVH would have for his own creation which ALL MEN were because of ADAM in his image.

      Other interpretations including the temple tax, practice of other secular work and business practices emenate from the Babylonian Talmud and this work is of a political nature as it often refers to YHVH or the G*D figure in secondary importance in pratical matters of control of state, property, people, or land — all of which are NOT in the work delivered to MOSES and to those that where of all 12 tribes not the one that returned from captivity and introduced Babylonian Talmudism in the practices of worship of the Israelites - - which is a completely different religion - political entity - NOT MOSES based TORAH.

      We live in an enlightened world - stop trying to get the rest of the world to accept your G*D politics based in your doctrine of orthodoxy which definitivly has elements which are not up to modern human rights, civil rights, and an OPEN FAIR and evolutionary society based on modern KNOWLEDGE. Not some stuff that has been practiced in secret for 3 thousand years upon the rest of the earth as if it WHERE actually sactified by the G*D YHVH which was the one to whome the promise was made and upon whom the nations LAWS are to rest. NOT Babylonian Talmudism. This WAS NOT GIVEN TO MOSES. But the promise of peace and blessings upon all the nations through TORAH was!

    • Who the hell are you addressing that polemic too exactly?

    • Get off your high horse, jerk. Also, to which "holocaust" are you referring? There have been so many throughout the ages - please specify the one you have in mind.

    • COLLECTIVE PUNISHEMNT IS A NAZI TECHNIQUE........LEARN THE SIGNS AND TRY TO NOT DEFEND THEM...OR YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE GERMAN CITIZENS WHO ALLOWED THE OTHER HOLOCAUST TO GO ON WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING, OR DOING ANYTHING, NOW IS YOUR CHANCE....IF YOU DO NOT, THEN YOU ARE JUST A NAZI COPY CAT.

    • In addition expression of this is documented many times over in many historical and religious texts.. so I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING about. It is clear from ancient texts in old hebrew, and those transendental texts of the Golden Age - that the META-MORPHISIS that has occured is based on political and not on humanity oriented concerns. In addition HISTORY is replete with examples of the effects of following such a program. So before you JUDGE ask yourself what USE is it and if it is biased then why?

      If those questions point back to the source then you can clearly state that you are infact OPERATING ON MIND CONTROL DOGMA. Since we have knowledge of the psyche, the science of motivational interpretations, and the abilitiy to control public discourse and messaging then playing PRETEND leader and pretend SEPERATIST then can be blamed for ITS anti-SOCIAL and Anti-HUMAN as well as self DECIEVING strategy of mind control by the very teachers who profess such as being of an enlightened and authentic source that such material is in fact originate with the creator YhVH and that said INTERPRETATION and AUTHORSHIP are infact provable VALID and TRUE. TRADITION is not a SCIENTIFIC METHOD? Duh?

      SInce this HAS NOT been established and NO record for SCIENTIFIC interpretation of such WRITINGS exists within the context of modern psycho socialogy then SUCH text is VIEWABLE as ALEGORIC FABLE or a MORAL or AMORAL dialog in which PERSONAL interpretation and motivation are key factors to understanding NONE of WHICH are and SHOULD be applicable in the democractic or socially responsible model of human governance based on REALITY and FACTS.

      — Just something to THINK ABOUT! — UNLESS you want to argue that ancient stories from wandering- LATER TO BE INCARCERATED by their enemies and on release having CHANGED fundemental BELIEFS and over-all LIFE WORLD VISION represents a SOUND model of self image and global motivational factors of behavior and human INTERACTION - I THINK NOT!
      DUH?

      Check out WORKS by GEORGE ORWELL about EXPRESSION
      That CREATES DISCOMFORT to The MIND CONTROLED: —> http://www.george-orwell.org/The_Pr...
      Perhaps you could ENLIGHTEN your worldview to something actually FUNCTIONAL and USEFUL!

    • bullshit and lies.