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Where Have the Right Wing Trolls Gone...?

by Open-Publishing - Thursday 9 June 2005
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In the absence of any right wing lunatic postings on this site, ( incidentally does anyone know whether they’ve been sent to Iraq or just had their medication increased ?). Anyway, I thought I’d play devils advocate so we can practice and shoot down the pro war arguments.

I think they’ve given up on the WMD fairy tale -but now the general tenet is ’We’re there now and there would be chaos if it was left to the Iraqis’

Other spurious justifications include ;

’It was worse under Saddam’

’We’ve liberated an oppressed people’

’He (Saddam) was a menace to his neighbours’

’The world’s a safer place with Saddam behind bars’

’The US is spreading democracy to the Middle East’

and this from David Pryce-Jones in the National Review

’’They [Iraqis] have never been so free and prosperous, and they expect things will get better still. There’s been banking and currency reform, with lines of credit now readily available. Markets are thriving, property values are rising. Welcome novelties include free speech and almost 200 periodicals; Internet cafes, bloggers, and cellphones are everywhere.

About 90,000 Iraqis are policemen or soldiers, a number growing all the time ... The Iraqi Provisional Government is gradually acquiring power and capabilities, and one day in the not so distant future will become independent.’’

So we anti war people were wrong all along.

Forum posts

  • The right-wing nutcases are in hiding because they’re now having some serious problems dealing with the fact that they are on the wrong side of public opinion. Nost recent polls show a minority of respondents now believe the War in Iraq was necessary (like 37%, if memory serves).

    The righties are abject cowards, who, like all cowards, will not stand alone and fight. Rather, they wil run and hide. Good thing, too, because they might get a good whuppin’ if they don’t slink away.

    • In hiding?! Dude, do you guys realize how boring and repetitive you collectively are? It’s been the same round of silly, inane articles and dumb comments day after day. I don’t know where you guys are, but where I am, the days are warm and it’s a lot more fun going out than reading the same round of stupidity on this website every day. You need to go out and get some rays, but you lefties are so sun-deprived that most of you will probably shrivel and die out there.

  • in order to save face this is their strategy

    first it was blame the liberals for hating bush

    now it’s blame the liberals for not standing up to bush, like strong conservatives do

    they will never admit they were wrong, conservatives never do, they would rather fall on their swords and go down with the ship. false pride, low self esteem, big egos, corruption and propaganda are at fault. let them slink away

    it’s the duopoly and power elite stupid

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    • Heard there was a trailer fire and they all, (3), perished....

    • They tried to put out the fire by using their Extra-Strength Viagra Liquid Concentrate, but the fire just kept growing and getting more and more hot until it finally turned their trailer into one big ’condo-dom’.

  • Hey y’all,

    Thanks for caring. This particular right-wing nutcase has been busy. I can’t speak for the other two, except to say that the trailer park fire was devastating. [Glad to see y’all have a sense of humor.]

    Why revisit the decision to invade/liberate Iraq?

    IMO, the currents of history are very difficult to discern from the inside, in progress. Maybe you’re right about Iraq. Then again, maybe I am. We’ll start to know in about 20 years. Meanwhile, we all do the best we can. So I again pose a question I’ve presented before on this site: what do you think should be done now in Iraq, and why? For starters, what are your objectives?

    I’ve largely lost interest in Bellaciao. Debating people who can’t tell the difference between Dubya and Adolf is like trying to teach a pig to sing; you’re not going to get very far, and you’re only going to annoy the pig. This site has been instructive as an example of conspiracy mongers who think the world isn’t complicated enough the way it is. Not all of you fit this description, but those who do tend to clog the threads.

    All of that being said, I still think there’s a certain frequent poster out there who is worth talking to. You know who you are. I’d like to hear from you, and I hope all’s well.

    I still reserve the right to troll by when I have a minute. Right now, I gotta run.

    Regards,

    MTT

    • "... I’ve largely lost interest in Bellaciao. Debating people who can’t tell
      the difference between Dubya and Adolf is like trying to teach a pig to
      sing; you’re not going to get very far, and you’re only going to annoy
      the pig."

      The same can be said abou tyou and your ilk regrading Saddam Hussien and Hilter. Really, think about it rationally...

    • I am thinking about it rationally. I’ve never said Saddam = Hitler. I can’t speak for my ilk. I think Saddam was particularly awful, even by the standards of dictators. I don’t think there’s anything terribly controversial about that statement.

      Regardless, (or, as we say here in the trailer park, "irregardless") moral justification isn’t nearly as important as whether or not he posed an unacceptable risk. Some, like me, say he did. Others say he didn’t. That’s a judgment call, and reasonable people can—and do—differ. However, only fools think Saddam is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent, and everything was swell in Iraq until Big Bad Uncle Sam and Mean John Bull butted in.

      (Note that you’re drawing me in, here. Can’t . . . . shut . . . . . mouth . . .)

      Glad to see a few of y’all want us naysayers around. Although the loudmouth minority gets flamed, cussed, and otherwise insulted all the time on this site, Bellaciao would be an echo chamber without dissent. So support your local troll.

      Regards,

      MTT

    • QUOTE:
      "However, only fools think Saddam is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent, and everything was swell in Iraq until Big Bad Uncle Sam and Mean John Bull butted in."

      REPLY:
      Nobody thinks that. The only people who even suggest it—repeatedly—are neocon shills who set up strawmen they can knock down. Speaking of knockdowns, how many years has it been now since George W. Bush quit drinking, snorting coke, and beating his wife?

    • "... However, only fools think Saddam is trustworthy, loyal, helpful,
      friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean,
      and reverent, and everything was swell in Iraq until Big Bad Uncle
      Sam and Mean John Bull butted in."

      Ah, how well you deflect...

      To wit: no one from the left ["fools" in your opinion] have said the things you attribute to them saying... You clearly are upset and not thinking nor speaking rationally... Contrary to what you say in your post, I might add.

      And you forget... It was the Reagan administration who backed Iraq against Iran. And if we go further back it was the Americans who got Saddam Hussien into power... And further back it was the Americans who backed Saddam Hussien against the elected Iraqi government in the middle of the 20th century..."

      And let us not forget the Americans backing Iran through different channels against Iraq... A fine topic for another day.

      Have a look-see at the "national security project at George Washington University"... I don’t have the URL handy but google the quoted string above and see the declassified documents and the research.

      BTW, who do you mean by "Mean John Bull"???

    • Reply to two previous replies:

      I meant the praise of Saddam’s virtues tongue-in-cheek. That’s the Boy Scout Promise—I like to kick it old school. My point is that a review of the posts on this site in the past month or two reveals plenty of praise for Saddam’s Iraq, especially pre-1991. Maybe these are the work of false-flag "neocons" (whatever they are). I don’t know, and if you didn’t post them, neither do you. By the way, I didn’t call people on the left fools, I called people who think Saddam was a wise and just ruler fools.

      You’re right, I did "deflect." The morality of the invasion/liberation isn’t what matters, ultimately, it’s whether or not you believe Saddam was a threat. That’s why nobody bothered to do anything about Rwanda—no perceived threat.

      What ultimately convinced me that Saddam had to go was, of all things, a PBS Frontline documentary. (For you non-Americans, PBS is not known for its love of the Bushes, Republicans, or conservatives.) Among other things, the documentary included footage of UN weapons inspectors trying to chase down flatbed trucks fleeing out the back gate of an Iraqi base during the inspection circus of the 90’s. (This alone proves the obvious point that Saddam could have complied with inspections as quickly and completely as South Africa and the Ukraine, but he chose not to do so.) The truck drivers fired pistol shots at the UN sport-utes to get them to stop following the convoy. The documentary also included footage from Iraqi TV in 1998 or 1999 of Saddam meeting with his top scientists, who he praised as his "nuclear mujahadeen." Now, I don’t speak Arabic, but I heard the word "mujahadeen," and I took PBS’s word for the translation. If anyone has seen this documentary and knows it to be an incorrect translation, I’d like to hear it.

      A final note: you overestimate the power of the U.S. by asserting that the U.S. was "behind" all of the stuff you listed. This is a common mistake and is probably at the root of all of the whacky conspiracy theories about 9-11; "The U.S. is all-powerful, yet 9-11 happened; ergo, the U.S. was behind 9-11."

      Later,

      MTT

  • Well as far as this right winger goes, I’ve decided to say Sayonaro to Bellaciao. It was nice to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live here. Seems like you guys on the left only want to create an echo chamber of like-minded thinking. The remark by the last post above me, regarding the President beating his wife, just is the type of over the top rhetoric that I think is beyond the pale. I am not going to defend the President. He can do that himself. I’m sorry that you have such hatred in your heart that you feel you need to stoop to that level of invective. Sad.

    I guess what shocks me the most, is that there are Americans posting here, who despise not only the President, but despise with a passion their own country, and despise the United States military forces who are deployed all over the world on assignments to protect the type of speech that is rampant on this site. I am disturbed by some of the postings, and truthfully, would rather not confront this type of rhetoric. I would rather live with my illusion, such as it is, that most Americans love their country and would not wish it harm — as some of you clearly do.

    ANyway, I wish you well, have no ill will, and hope that whatever it is you’re all looking for, you find it. If you are Americans, I encourage you to look within yourselves, and try to appreciate the fact that we live in the greatest country; in the world — a place where, if the 300- million of us living here would leave — no doubt another 300 million in the world would be waiting to take our places, to enjoy the lifestyle, the freedoms, the free speech, and the DunkinDonuts! Try to find it in your hearts to forgive, and move on. Tha’ts all I have to say.

    Good luck, take care, and arrivederci. You won’t have this right wing "troll" to kick around anymore, LOL.

    • What’s really sick about what’s happened to America is the escalation of the "us vs. them" mentality. Everything is "you guys on the left" or "you right wing neo-cons" . Since Bush uttered his famous " you’re either with us or the terrorists" line , there has been no debate, no sober second thought, no reasoned discourse. There’s been hate, and lots of it. The printed words that have flowed since 9/11 are mostly incinderiary and vile, offering no REAL solutions. The right goes on stomping through everyone’s rosegarden while the left yells at them from a lawnchair across the street. Somewhere someone is watching all this, sipping a cool one, counting their money and laughing. They ain’t right or left. They’re just in control.
      -J.C.-

    • The mechanism by which capitalists rule was (at the risk of sounding like an old lefty) well documented by Marx. The ruled, subjects or citizens, have more in common than differences with each other. Yet these differences are played upon and exploited by the ruling clique.

      Whether it is the colour of peoples skin, democrat/republican sunni/shia or whatever is your team. They NEVER try to unify or consolidate human interests ..except their own.

      Sociologists say they (our rulers) can get away with even more now, as society has become more atomised and fractured in terms of individual life style choices. A nation of individuals, where the Fordist standardised norms are replaced with individualism -i pods, cellphones, trainers, rampant consumerism. Indiviual status is espoused to more than community well being via insidious media advertising.

      I predict a groundswell of popular opposition to Bush, along with embarassment from his ’colleagues’ will result in a less radical ’leader’. During this spell some of the millions of people the Bush regime have upset or widowed will retaliate against the US, maybe once or twice. This will then usher in another right wing nut case as president, and the cycle continues.

      In the long run, however, it’d be nice to think that the natuaral condition of human beings -cooperative and collective entities, will overcome.

    • The religious fanatic right wing trolls are still here....they say they are not interested in coming here to promote their excuses for Bu$hco and then they come and do it anyway. We are only wishing we saw the last of them. And as for having common values, that is a crock. The RFR are so stupid that they are allowing Bu$hco to ruin our country and tear down our society and destroy everything that made our country good and decent because they can never admit to themselves or anyone else that they were wrong instead of right.

    • All that hate’s gonna burn you up.

    • And all you love is fucking us all!