US state and society are threat to humanity

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• 12 June 2005, 00:55

  Then there are the millions who owe their living to the ever expanding consumption of the American public.

  And then there are the millions on this earth that are in favor of Americans kiling off a few Arabs and Muslims and creating chaos in their lands and destroying their knowledge and contributions to humanity.

  It isn’t the whole world that is under threat and the U.S. is not out to destroy the whole world... Only the parts that it needs to destroy in order to live the American life.

  You are enjoying the fruits of its efforts when you post on this blog... Have you considered that?

  • 12 June 2005, 01:33

    Ahh, the old "end justifies the means" arguement. Have you considered that ever expanding consumption for the sake of self gratification is not necessarily a good thing? That jobs could be created making this planet a better and healthier place to live but probably don’t increase corporate bottom lines as immensely? That it’s more accurately " a few on this earth in favor of Americans killing off a few million Arabs" ? That living the anything for a buck American life may be desirable in island America but is not desired at all costs everwhere else? That the fruits of America’s efforts will be for naught if it continues on this self destructive course? I didn’t think so.
    -J.C._

  • 12 June 2005, 05:43

    No, they don’t realize that, and they never will. Frankly, I’m just waiting for the Chinese to take over Europe. I’m sure they’ll be much happier then. And so would I.

  • 12 June 2005, 06:20

    The fruits are from the working people not the military. They only kill for their paycheck masters. War is an economic invention of the rich to control and dominate the poor from setting up their own money free society.

    YOur way of life is a result of your culture and our culture if you can call it a culture is myopic, self involved, partiallhy psychopathic, delusional, drug addicted, permicous, unloving, and GREEDY. If you think that supporting that is a value statement then you need to assess what values you HAVE LEFT. They are not many. Think before you speak. America is the home of the multinational A bomb wielding corporations and their investment oligarchy. Democracy is DEAD. Only money has value in the United States. Media carries not real debate. People ascribe only to the side they think they can PROFIT from. And relationships are the domain of influence brokering, public propadanda, interpersonal manipulation and the daily kneeling session in from of their bank statement and the solem worship of money power and control and above all death by domination. amen...

    The folliowing is the creed of the greed:
    And oh Lord if my latest investment scam doesn’t work --- please make my threats with atomic weapons bring me profit.
    Amen

    Rember this America is the home of the brave and free and the ATOMIC bomb droped on innocent JAPANESE people.
    That sound like a fruit of good doesn’t it?

    create peace. live love. honor life. respect the earth. speak the truth. And be Anti-BUllSHit
    777 out.

  • 13 June 2005, 04:09

    I am embarrased to be American and have never supported Bush or his imperialistic campaign. I can certainly say that democracy on this island of biggotry is dead. i have no hope for this country or its future, maybe just maybe, we will crumble before we destroy the anymore of the world

    9/11 caused by bush

• 12 June 2005, 01:36

  Although I live in America, I do agree with most of what you are saying. We are the Paris Hiltons of the world: we have everything already provided for us courtesy of the less fortunate, and yet we care about no one but ourselves. Whenever I look at the rest of the world, I am almost ashamed to call myself an American. We have supposed "Christians" in this country who vote for Bush ad think that the American way is right and everyone else is wrong. I think it is disgusting how these self-obsessed morons are tricked into voting for power-hungry racists who ignore the liberal side of the country and blame them for America’s bad image.

• 12 June 2005, 02:40

  You are very correct in your assesment to what the current US-regime of corporate owned politicians and self involved myopic individuals whose wealth, lack of connection to nature, reality, and the rest of humanity has led the US and infact will lead any other country that is mind controled by the psy ops techniques used in the media, advertising and the culture of consumerism in which convience, selfish behavior, and dogmatic thinking as elitest because of material wealth has created this culture of death dealers which unfortunately because the rest of the developed world is complicit with because of our nuclear weapons and financial influence has been able for the last one hunder years slowly establish the world dominance of the multinational corporations.

  The US is not a country of the people anymore it is an OWNED and MONEY controlled extention of multinational corporate interests in which our so called government has at its desposal the most terrible weapons of death, and the backing corporations will use them should any other country try to establish any sort of social progressive agenda of human development because that will lead to a rise of true democracy and the fall of the power of capital and the end of the tyrany of capitalsm and its A BOMB equipped backers the multinational corporations class of investers and the money laundering banks ensuring that rapant drug usage is practiced in countries to assure a "drug mind controlled culture" is established of a large part of the population of individuals that their minds are now influenced by the use of chemicals and have taken their personal ablitites to use their mental faculties to effect social change.

  If you seek change in a culture like the US you need to :
  1. Remove drug usage to establish and clear thinkg culture
  2. Create true public debate and information distribution not controlled bby the psy ops techniques of
  advertising by the multinational corporations
  3. Edstablish a higher level of social interaction and decreased use of entertainment by media to increase the social contact and trust between individuals
  4. Define global human goals of food, water, shelter, social job function, direct democracy, and public controled media, a world wide
  institution for problem resolution outside the control of military corporations that is oriented around peace.
  5. Destruction of the nation state system which is nothing but an artifical set of economic boundries set up by the early corporations and banking systems to make people view the selfs as aligned with these state, and thus the establishement of the sham government systems around the world that ARE ALL SUBSERVIENT to the BANKS and MONEY.
  6. DEfine ecological, social, and liveing standard systems that will be implemented globally and create a popular agenda for life support that is part of the global coalition of workers, indiginous, and creative people so our cluture will be based on our own educational development and cultural integration and not the POWER of DEATH and MONEY.

  destroy money. create peace. live love 7b

• 12 June 2005, 08:44

  Our government is a threat to us too. There are millions of Americans trying to change the way our government is acting. It is just so hard to get information out to people. A lot of our media is complicit and the rest is cowardly. The internet is the only way to get any information at all. I strongly urge ’My fellow Americans’ to start looking at declassified documents so you can see what our government has been up to , in their own words. To say I am appalled is a pathetic understatement.

  Melissa from USA

• 12 June 2005, 20:55

  A point or two:

  For the poster(s) who thinks to dicotomize the fruits of civilian labor versus the armed forces: I would like to remind that the Internet is the labor of the armed forces. If it were not for them the Internet would problably not be here today. [I suppose you can argue that there would be a "interconnected network" of some kind, etc., etc. — But that would be all conjecture.]

  The Internet [as well as almost all of the technology related] came about as a result of DARPA requirements. Before if became the "internet" it was called the ARPANET... But I digress... If you are interested, please do google "ARPANET" and/or seek out books on the history of the Internet.

  For the poster named, Melissa: You are expressing some incongruencies... Doesn’t your great nation live and die with the "Freedom of press" banner? And here, you have such a thing as the blogsphere and the Internet... So, how is it that you have having difficulties in getting out your information? Could it be that American public does not want to receive information that does not fit their [make-believe] notions? Are they not acting much like their leaders; who I might add come the same narrowly focused public-citizen?

• 12 June 2005, 21:17

  And another point or two:

  For the poster(s) who think that the current administration is somehow unique in their close association with American corporation, I say, you do not know your [American] history. I don’t mean that you were not taught history in your high school. I mean you are totally made unaware of a comprehensive American history. You live and die by some pretexts in history; a distilled history that makes you think you [the American citizen] is pure and good. That as Americans you are of high morals and destined for paradise in the afterlife.

  Try to go past the distilled text that is your current understanding and reality. Try and find the history of American armed forces used to help United Fruit Co., Dole Fruit Co. See how your 50th state was forced into the union by invasion. Or, how the Central American countries were invaded and controlled on behalf of corporate America using the armed forces and then by proxy rulers. Read the recorded history of American companies with the approval of the U.S. rulers/leadership traded material and licensed technology to Japan during WW II to extend that conflict many years. Or how it traded with I. G. Farbin, of Germany, during WW II to extend that part of the war. Or how, your esteemed president Jefferson conducted war for economic reasons against Cuba... It is a fallacy to think somehow that the current leadership is unique in this regard.

  America has always lived by war... It is how von Clausewitz said, "War is business by other means..." [sic]

• 13 June 2005, 23:11

  Waaa, Waaaa, Waaaaa what a bunch of crybabies. Don’t like America? Leave!

  Innocent Japanese, you have got to be kidding me. Which came first; Pearl Harbor attack or Hiroshima? You think if your "innocent" Jap’s had the bomb in WWII they wouldn’t have fried us in a Tokyo second? That comment alone shows the ignorance of all these anti-U.S. posts. Might want to take a look at how your "innocent" Japanese treated the Chinese, where they murdered MILLIONS of non combatants. Might want to look at the hell ships and Battan death march for some truth on your "innocent" Japanese. For the record, this is all in the past and the Japanese people, under the direction of U.S. reconstruction became fast friends and allies of America. They are also an ally in the war in Iraq and on terror.

  We should just take our toys back home, shore up the borders and let the "peaceful" and "superior" outside world live in their utopia - like they did for centuries before WWII. We certainly aren’t perfect and we have crime and violence, so does everywhere else.

  Want a reality check? How many of the negative anti-American/Bush posters on this site are Republicans? Perhaps your true agenda is driven more by partisanship than "concern" for others.

  • 15 June 2005, 08:22

    All of the Republicans I know are self absorbed consumers, they all own too much crap and still want more, they need things, things, and more things, Even if it is just a pile of plastic junk, they need more all of the time, consumer addiction to replace heart and soul. Their empty lives are packed to the ceiling with crap and that is all they have in their sad and wasted lives. Americans consume 80% of the resources of the world and of that Republicans consume 75% because they have nothing in their heads and nothing to offer the rest of the world so they cram junk into every space they come in contact with in a useless quest to fill the huge void.

  • 17 June 2005, 07:08

    Wow. You are really tense!

    Calm yourself and re-read what I wrote. My word and focus is very specific with regards to Japan and U.S. transactions during WW II. As an interesting aside, you do no contest my mention of I.G. Farbin of Germany.

    I am proclaiming nor defending Japan nor the U.S. in my post; your set bais is most expressive of your true self. Good. Show us more of what an American citizen is like.

• 13 June 2005, 23:14

  What a bunch of losers. I hope Shiraz is the first to go - what has he accomplished in his life that gives him the right to criticize?